Unless the fine is the better part of a trillion dollars, it won’t make any difference. Apple has close to 1/2 trillion in revenue a year. A few billion is rounding error.
Or toss Tim Apple in the huscow for contempt.
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Re: Apple violated antitrust ruling, judge finds
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Its not possible for them to make "billions of dollars" any other way - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platform_economy
Then maybe they shouldn't be making billions of dollars
And really we don't need them making billions of dollars. It is not conducive to healthy human society or progress. Such money could be spent way better than lining the pockets of management levels, people, who enable this by not having a conscience, and corrupt politicians.
Re: Apple violated antitrust ruling, judge finds
#123"In Slack communications dated November 16, 2021, the Apple employees crafting the warning screen for Project Michigan discussed how best to frame its language. (CX-206.) Mr. Onak suggested the warning screen should include the language: “By continuing on the web, you will leave the app and be taken to an external website” because “‘external website’ sounds scary, so execs will love it.” (Id. at .2.) From Mr. Onak’s…
How much does Apple select employees for loyalty when hiring? One-eyed competitive fanbois?
Companies do want smart machiavellian people that independently act in the interests of the company (archetypical C-suite executives).
Google has had a number of ethical employees damage Google from the inside.
A company can be damaged by smart motivated machiavellian employees using their skills against their own company.
I've noticed competitive gaming training/selecting people to win-at-all-costs. Presumably the C-suite is benefiting from the influx of people that understand manipulation and complexity.
Re: Apple violated antitrust ruling, judge finds
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So what is the punishment for outright lying under oath?
Generally none, the DA must choose to pursue perjury charges, which basically never happens. In reality, nearly everyone commits perjury. Thomas More would not approve. Both versions (1966 and 1988) of A Man For All Seasons are highly worth watching several times and practically memorizing. "Would you benefit England by populating her with liars ?" [edit] in retrospect, there is one inescapable consequence of lying u…
Oh no, my word means nothing to honest people.
Boards private jet to Monaco
Re: Apple violated antitrust ruling, judge finds
#125This is huge, because it means that anyone buying an iPhone or apple product going forward is knowingly supporting this behaviour. I fully expect this to be the ruin of Apple.
> I fully expect this to be the ruin of Apple.
Apple products are status products. Especially in the USA.
No one will care.
Re: Apple violated antitrust ruling, judge finds
#126Unless the fine is the better part of a trillion dollars, it won’t make any difference. Apple has close to 1/2 trillion in revenue a year. A few billion is rounding error.
Or toss Tim Apple in the huscow for contempt.
I don’t think that’s likely with the referral to the US attorney.
I think Cook will probably find that there is a dollar value that will get Trump to instruct a us attorney to drop charges
Re: Apple violated antitrust ruling, judge finds
#127"In Slack communications dated November 16, 2021, the Apple employees crafting the warning screen for Project Michigan discussed how best to frame its language. (CX-206.) Mr. Onak suggested the warning screen should include the language: “By continuing on the web, you will leave the app and be taken to an external website” because “‘external website’ sounds scary, so execs will love it.” (Id. at .2.) From Mr. Onak’s…
How much does Apple select employees for loyalty when hiring? One-eyed competitive fanbois? Companies do want smart machiavellian people that independently act in the interests of the company (archetypical C-suite executives). Google has had a number of ethical employees damage Google from the inside. A company can be damaged by smart motivated machiavellian employees using their skills against their own company. I'v…
I know several people who work there who are Android and windows users and haven’t switched. Internally it seems they’re not very kool-aid heavy.
Re: Apple violated antitrust ruling, judge finds
#128"In Slack communications dated November 16, 2021, the Apple employees crafting the warning screen for Project Michigan discussed how best to frame its language. (CX-206.) Mr. Onak suggested the warning screen should include the language: “By continuing on the web, you will leave the app and be taken to an external website” because “‘external website’ sounds scary, so execs will love it.” (Id. at .2.) From Mr. Onak’s…
Want something even more evil? I got you. When saurik sued Apple for antitrust reasons over Cydia[1] (which sadly ended up going nowhere), at some point a hearing was held where his lawyer accidentally read out something that was supposed to be protected/sealed. Apple's lawyer quickly interjected, but what saurik's attorney got to read before ended up in the official transcript[2], and it's straight up disgusting. Fr…
FWIW, the lawsuit went pretty far--all the way to an appeals court--but failed on what was ostensibly a statute of limitations issue that made very little sense and feels wrong :/. I still intend to write a giant article about it at some point, and probably do a long interview / lamentation about it on t3dotgg's YouTube channel... it just has felt so difficult to approach as the whole thing was so upsetting :(.
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also, you can't install software on your own device. Even when you can, you have to ask apple permission.
The broader consumer base will install anything a bad actor wants them to and then blame the manufacturer for not stopping them with some draconian rule.
The Play Store proves you absolutely wrong about this. It was an unfiltered Wild West until very recently.
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I bet if a poor person struggling to hold down three jobs to survive were found to be lying under oath, the DA would throw the book at them.
> if a poor person struggling to hold down three jobs to survive were found to be lying under oath, the DA would throw the book at them Have you been to a traffic court?
Yeah. I was pulled over and told I had an "invalid" license. "My license isn't suspended!" "No, it's not, it's just invalid." Not expired. Not counterfeit. Just invalid. "What does that mean?" "You'll have ask the DOL. And here's a ticket. And you can't drive from here."
Go home, go to the DOL's website. Green text, "VALID". Weird. "Pay any monies owing on your license." Let's try that. "There are no monies owed."
Huh.
Print these out, take them to the DOL. It was a technicality where a process had suspended my license over a fine, but then unsuspended it the same day because they'd received a check.
She waives the $25 fee that should have been attached. And stamps the screenshots of this I'd taken, and prints out the status changes on my account.
Take it to court to challenge the ticket. Prosecutor doesn't want to dismiss. "They'd have generated and sent you a letter when they did that, so you had to have known."
Eventually dismissed, but only after three or four back-and-forths.