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Re: Street address errors in Google Maps

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Post by jbl0ndie »

bobsmooth wrote: post #117
stingraycharles wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where I currently live, my street has no name, my house has no number. If a package is delivered by mail, my phone number needs to be put on the package, and the local delivery operator calls me to either pick it up, or I send my location through telegram and they deliver it to my house. It’s almost entirely impossible to order through Amazon et al using this type of system, it’s just not supported at all. The same g…

Have you tried adding delivery instructions? But I guess you couldn't complete an Amazon order without an address.

I remember a time before Ireland set up postcodes (zip codes) for the whole country. If postcode was mandatory field in an e-commerce address form, you couldn't mail stuff from the UK unless it was in Dublin. Dublin had postcodes.

I managed to find one site that would accept 'null' so the form would submit.

Re: Street address errors in Google Maps

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Post by jbl0ndie »

Fogest wrote: post #96
defrost wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I skimmed and I think that's missing That a building|property will have only one address . Sometimes (eg: rural Australia) property addresses are updated from an older numbered lot based system (that goes astray when properties are subdivided and infill houses appear) to a system that numbers houses by driveway distance from last major intersection. For five or ten years a house can be recieving mail or be on the rec…

I used to be a EMS call taker/dispatch (911) in Ontario, Canada. Addresses could be such a pain, especially in the the more rural areas. There were multiple townships around some bigger cities. They had different naming schemes and suffered from a similar problem that you mentioned. Many of the addresses also had old addresses. Our system would luckily often have both versions of the address stored, but not always. A…

In the UK, our national mapping service has built a tool for hosting vernacular place names to help first responders.

https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/news/new-national-vernacula...

Re: Street address errors in Google Maps

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Post by TrianguloY »

On my city there are a couple tram stops that were moved a decade or so ago. Google maps still show them at the old locations. All the comments say this, all the photos show this, even street view show it! But any time I send a change request it is rejected.

I've always wondered who reviews the requests, if you are a local, or even spend 2 minutes checking, you'll notice the mistake...

Re: Street address errors in Google Maps

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Post by sam_lowry_ »

duped wrote: post #103
stingraycharles wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where I currently live, my street has no name, my house has no number. If a package is delivered by mail, my phone number needs to be put on the package, and the local delivery operator calls me to either pick it up, or I send my location through telegram and they deliver it to my house. It’s almost entirely impossible to order through Amazon et al using this type of system, it’s just not supported at all. The same g…

How do you specify your location? GPS coordinates?

Telegram location sharing, he said.

Re: Street address errors in Google Maps

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Post by FireBeyond »

layman51 wrote: post #67
defrost wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I skimmed and I think that's missing That a building|property will have only one address . Sometimes (eg: rural Australia) property addresses are updated from an older numbered lot based system (that goes astray when properties are subdivided and infill houses appear) to a system that numbers houses by driveway distance from last major intersection. For five or ten years a house can be recieving mail or be on the rec…

I think this idea that a building/property can have more than one address can happen in the United States too. The way I see it, it is because a ZIP code can be associated with a list of cities that are categorized as “recommended city name”, “other city names recognized for addresses in this zip code” and “city names to avoid”. [1] So as an example, if you use the UPSP Cities by ZIP Code to research 77005 and you wo…

Then you have vanity addresses, when I worked for a utility. Where people might put their address as, say, Beverly Hills 90212.

Re: Street address errors in Google Maps

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Post by jillesvangurp »

A person I know just got the keys to their newly built house. Both Apple and Google maps still feature the demolished building that used to be where the group of new houses are. The street plan hasn't been updated. The old industrial building was demolished several years ago.

Openstreetmap already has the correct house outlines and the new street.

I already warned them that deliveries might be tricky for a few weeks/months.

Addressing is hard and errors are common. You can't blindly rely on maps to be correct or up to date.

Re: Street address errors in Google Maps

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Post by gsck »

jbl0ndie wrote: post #121
bobsmooth wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you tried adding delivery instructions? But I guess you couldn't complete an Amazon order without an address.

I remember a time before Ireland set up postcodes (zip codes) for the whole country. If postcode was mandatory field in an e-commerce address form, you couldn't mail stuff from the UK unless it was in Dublin. Dublin had postcodes. I managed to find one site that would accept 'null' so the form would submit.

Ireland's postcode system now is a thing called Eircode, which each eircode maps to your address exactly

Re: Street address errors in Google Maps

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Post by aembleton »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #76
echoangle wrote: post #38

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Could be copyright traps to detect unauthorized copying of the map: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_settlement

Four of them in basically the same spot?

If they're all copied, then they've got a pretty good case that they'd been copied, and it couldn't have been an accident.

Re: Street address errors in Google Maps

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Post by jsnell »

kccqzy wrote: post #35
aethr wrote: post #17

In the logistics industry the commonly held wisdom is that there really isn't any accepted system for "how street addresses work". Different countries have completely different systems, and even within a country there are often many different conventions. The thing that really matters in delivery is whether the address on the consignment has enough information for an operator to complete the next leg. By the time an…

> it's probably not feasible for a global product like Google Maps to understand and encode every regional system That's not the original ethos of Google: organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful. I don't know about now but twenty years ago Google almost certainly thought it worthwhile to encode the rules of every regional system. Add that to Larry and Sergey's "healthy disregard…

20 years ago I think the coverage area of Google Maps was still strictly limited to the US + UK. Like, the rest of the world map was empty.

But I worked on Google's geocoding (mapping names to locations) and reverse geocoding (mapping locations to names) systems 15 years ago, and encoding every local ruleset was absolutely not how it worked. Or even encoding any of them.

And what's described in the post are exactly the kinds of problems you'd have back then as well.

Some of these were upstream data quality issues, some were due to deep infrastructure problems that could not have been addressed without a complete rewrite, and others just basic recall/precision tradeoffs around the value of returning a result that doesn't match the query exactly.

Re: Street address errors in Google Maps

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Post by dataflow »

stingraycharles wrote: post #100
reaperman wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your comments reminds me of “ Falsehoods programmers believe about addresses” https://gist.github.com/almereyda/85fa289bfc668777fe3619298b...

Where I currently live, my street has no name, my house has no number. If a package is delivered by mail, my phone number needs to be put on the package, and the local delivery operator calls me to either pick it up, or I send my location through telegram and they deliver it to my house. It’s almost entirely impossible to order through Amazon et al using this type of system, it’s just not supported at all. The same g…

> It’s almost entirely impossible to order through Amazon et al

The "almost" is interesting - how do you do it in reality?

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