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Google contract prevented Motorola from setting Perplexity as default assistant

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Re: Google contract prevented Motorola from setting Perplexity as default assistant

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They blocked Perplexity via agreements, amongst many agreements to fortify their monopoly, the legality of which has been challenged in court and this testimony is to demonstrate that this agreement also belongs in the "illegal" bucket.

Google Cloud has also gotten a huge boost from large retailers who, understandably, don't want to run their software on Amazon owned AWS. When I asked out of curiosity why not Azure, especially given that these companies almost all use Office, Teams, Outlook, etc. several have told me it's because of Google Shopping and SEO. Though never formally stated or part of the contract it's often mentioned by Google that "The…

I think that's most likely something that some sales guy came up with on his own.

Re: Google contract prevented Motorola from setting Perplexity as default assistant

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Can you name an OS that gives more support to OEMs than Android?

> Can you name an OS that gives more support to OEMs than Android? I don't see how this is relevant for this discussion? The whole point is that Android is only opensource in name. You must license Google Play services from Google otherwise Android is practically useless since you can't run 99.9% of the Android apps. When you license Google Play services Google will also impose all kinds of other restrictions on you…

> Imagine Microsoft "open-sourcing" Windows (by doing some source drops at regular intervals) but you wouldn't be able to run all the existing Windows applications on it without licensing closed source software and online services from Microsoft.

Or building your own services, presumably?

Re: Google contract prevented Motorola from setting Perplexity as default assistant

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> they think they had no choice And they really don't have a choice. if you don't abide by googles terms then they will not permit you to use google mobile services. That means (at the very least): - No "play" services (breaks lots of apps and 3rd party peripherals). - No app store (over 90% of apps are distributed solely through the play store. even major android players like samsung have tiny libraries in their own…

> Just look at how crippled Amazons fork is What has Google done to stop Amazon here?

...literally all the things listed in the comment you're replying to.

Re: Google contract prevented Motorola from setting Perplexity as default assistant

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It continues to baffle me that Google gets harassed by the courts for being a better actor in almost every area it participates. Open source Android vs. closed iOS Install apps from any source on Android vs. total restriction on iOS Switch default app for browser (and many other things!) vs. No choice but Safari tech on iOS Easy switch of search provider in Chrome vs. countless dark patterns pushing Edge and Bing on…

Yes, please break up Apple, too! Who do we have to call to start the antitrust suit?

Re: Google contract prevented Motorola from setting Perplexity as default assistant

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> Just look at how crippled Amazons fork is What has Google done to stop Amazon here?

...literally all the things listed in the comment you're replying to.

But what stops Amazon from making these things? What's stopping them?

Re: Google contract prevented Motorola from setting Perplexity as default assistant

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With Apple, they are the manufacturer of the phone and the software, so they get to decide what goes on the hardware. Google makes the OS, but not the hardware. Why should they be able to decide what another company puts on the hardware. This is exactly the same playbook Microsoft tried in the 90s, and it is going to court for the exact same reason. It's using your market power to prevent competition. We've decided t…

So are you proposing that Google shouldn't allow other companies to install Android? What would Samsung, Motorola switch to and do app developers have to create apps targeting all of the different mobile OSes? This seems like a far worst path than today, and to OP's point, though Google isn't perfect, they're doing better than their competitor in providing options. Pushing Google to only offer Android on their own ph…

> Pushing Google to only offer Android on their own phones is not a win for consumers.

How can you possibly know that? Traditionally, competition + standards for interoperability has been a big win for consumers.

In a world without Google-android, maybe Samsung & Huawei get together and put in the polish to make https://postmarketos.org/ into a consumer-usable system? Maybe each fork LineageOS or KaiOS but collaborate on a standard apk format so developers can easily ship on different app stores?

Re: Google contract prevented Motorola from setting Perplexity as default assistant

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It continues to baffle me that Google gets harassed by the courts for being a better actor in almost every area it participates. Open source Android vs. closed iOS Install apps from any source on Android vs. total restriction on iOS Switch default app for browser (and many other things!) vs. No choice but Safari tech on iOS Easy switch of search provider in Chrome vs. countless dark patterns pushing Edge and Bing on…

>Open source Android vs. closed iOS Google have slid back on this from day one. A pure-AOSP build of Android is borderline unusable, to the point that the dialer UI, various essential apps such as contacts and the like are now proprietary Google code, stripped out of AOSP. Additionally, AOSP has gone to a source-dump release pattern, rather than an open build. Last I knew, even basic things like the Camera and clock…

The requirement that amazes me they never gone absolutely done for was that to get certified (to carry the Play Store) you must not release any Android devices which are not certified.

i.e. a given manufacturer would not be able to sell Google based Android devices and separate non-Google based Android devices.

It's as if being able to bundle Windows OEM licenses was reliant on not selling any models with Linux.

Re: Google contract prevented Motorola from setting Perplexity as default assistant

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Did anyone read this article? The headline is misleading. It clearly states in the first line: > "Google’s contract with Lenovo Group Ltd.’s Motorola blocked the smartphone maker from setting Perplexity AI as the default assistant on its new devices" They didn't block Perplexity AI from Motorola's devices, the agreement states that they allow them to preload the devices with Perplexity, but the agreement, that both p…

> they think they had no choice And they really don't have a choice. if you don't abide by googles terms then they will not permit you to use google mobile services. That means (at the very least): - No "play" services (breaks lots of apps and 3rd party peripherals). - No app store (over 90% of apps are distributed solely through the play store. even major android players like samsung have tiny libraries in their own…

The Play services thing is a major deal for banking apps and such. If anyone has tried dealing with third-party ROMs like LineageOS and GrapheneOS, they would know how much Google tries its best to screw you if you leave their gross leech of an ecosystem

Re: Google contract prevented Motorola from setting Perplexity as default assistant

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Google Cloud has also gotten a huge boost from large retailers who, understandably, don't want to run their software on Amazon owned AWS. When I asked out of curiosity why not Azure, especially given that these companies almost all use Office, Teams, Outlook, etc. several have told me it's because of Google Shopping and SEO. Though never formally stated or part of the contract it's often mentioned by Google that "The…

I doubt it's because of that. Being a user of those msft products like Teams, it is more likely that they don't want another msft product if they can avoid it. why would you want bugs on top of bugs?

Agreed. Anyone who's tried Azure non-trivially knows why to use GCP.
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