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The many ways tarrifs will hit electronics

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Re: The many ways tarrifs will hit electronics

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Post by crazygringo »

ajmurmann wrote: post #57
square_usual wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yeah, I don't buy it either. I haven't seen any major price rises in the products I frequently check out. I'm assuming they're selling stock that's already in the US and don't have to pay tariffs on.

I assume this is true as well and am at the same time surprised by it. I'd have increased prices or held on to inventory as soon as I know the tariff rate and I know when it's coming. Even if I bought a laptop for $750 and can now sell it for $1000 the prospect of the market price for it going up to $1,500 or even $2,000 and turning a much larger profit is quite enticing. Maybe prices being fairly stable is a sign of…

It's more that you have bills to pay now, and it costs money to warehouse things. Do you have enough cash around to sell nothing for the next two months and keep paying employees and bills? Are you absolutely certain you'll make more than enough profit in the end to offset that? Are consumers going to hate you for it and is that going to harm your brand?

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Post by sidewndr46 »

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #15

I've honestly never understood the point of the tariffs. 1. They're massively unpopular and likely to cause electoral losses in '26 and '28 which will immediately undo them 2. Consumers know the tariffs will likely cause a recession, and will likely be undone in 4y. Pretty much every major spending purchase that can be delayed, will. 3. Companies know 4y is not enough time to invest in new supply chains or new manufa…

Donald Trump does not need to win an election in any of the years you named

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Post by 1659447091 »

amelius wrote: post #34
davidw wrote: post #27

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People keep acting like there is some plan or higher thought process. Sometimes, people are just morons. Look at how Bessent had to sneak in and try and get the tariffs paused: https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/trump-tariff-pause-navar... There's no coordinated strategy there.

Apparently the guy is playing 3d chess. But they didn't say he's not very good at it.

He's not playing chess, his only interest in chess in getting the game manufactures to stop their DEI policy of insisting on equal dark and light squares/pieces.

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Post by whateveracct »

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #15

I've honestly never understood the point of the tariffs. 1. They're massively unpopular and likely to cause electoral losses in '26 and '28 which will immediately undo them 2. Consumers know the tariffs will likely cause a recession, and will likely be undone in 4y. Pretty much every major spending purchase that can be delayed, will. 3. Companies know 4y is not enough time to invest in new supply chains or new manufa…

I read recently the tariffs are the policy of some guy Trump latched onto because Kushner likes the title of his book ("Death by China")

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Post by echoangle »

tzs wrote: post #78
wing-_-nuts wrote: post #15

I've honestly never understood the point of the tariffs. 1. They're massively unpopular and likely to cause electoral losses in '26 and '28 which will immediately undo them 2. Consumers know the tariffs will likely cause a recession, and will likely be undone in 4y. Pretty much every major spending purchase that can be delayed, will. 3. Companies know 4y is not enough time to invest in new supply chains or new manufa…

> I can tell you, for myself? Any major purchases are now off the table. I will happily keep my 18 year old car running instead of buying a new honda civic. Aren't Civics made in the US, with mostly US and Canadian parts? They might come through the tariffs without too big a hit.

As long as the tariffs reduce competition, the prices will still increase. Stuff isn’t priced at cost.

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Post by FLT8 »

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #113
ivewonyoung wrote: post #103

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> Getting rid of income tax will require legislation from congress. If we're in the midst of a tariff induced recession, what are the chances his party keeps congress in '26? The optics of Democrats voting against a full tax cut for those earning less than $150K would be interesting to say the least.

I mean someone's gotta be the responsible adult in the room right? Every projection I've seen on tariffs doesn't put the revenue generated anywhere near enough to cover cutting income tax. You want to rework the tax system, be my guest, but pay for it , and don't tank the world economy in the process.

If the tariffs are able to act as a sustained source of revenue then they're not working to bring manufacturing back to the US. If they work to bring manufacturing back then they're not going to raise much revenue (long term). Either way, the bulk of the pain is going to be borne by average people.

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Post by testing22321 »

ks2048 wrote: post #42
wing-_-nuts wrote: post #15

I've honestly never understood the point of the tariffs. 1. They're massively unpopular and likely to cause electoral losses in '26 and '28 which will immediately undo them 2. Consumers know the tariffs will likely cause a recession, and will likely be undone in 4y. Pretty much every major spending purchase that can be delayed, will. 3. Companies know 4y is not enough time to invest in new supply chains or new manufa…

Trump now has knobs he alone (unless congress stops him) can turn to save or wreck any country, even specific businesses and people (i.e. those that don’t surrender more power to him). For a power obsessed, extreme narcissist, that is worth more than economic success.

The only country he is wrecking is the US. Every other country can still happily trade with every other country.

Sure, for some countries it will hurt short term, but long term they will all just increase trade between each other and do perfectly fine.

China’s exports to the US are only 7% of their GDP. Even if all that went to zero, they’ll still have the highest GDP soon enough.

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Post by Aloisius »

ty6853 wrote: post #52
andsoitis wrote: post #25

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Income taxes are progressive while tariffs are regressive, so those under $150k are likely to be worse off.

On first glance that's the case, in practice they clamp down hardest on middle and professional classes. The rich borrow against gains or pay long term capital gains, or just "re-invest" (no profit) into durable assets for their business that hold value longer than they'll be alive. The scam of income tax is that it's progressive on paper but not in practice.

> The rich borrow against gains

That they have to pay back with interest. This made a little sense except for short-term loans when one had liquidity issues when interest rates were close to zero or in very, very limited circumstances where someone knew they were close to death - but that more has to do with the broken way we handle taxing inheritance.

With the prime rate is 7.5% today, it makes far less sense.

> "re-invest" (no profit) into durable assets for their business

Capital expenditures aren't subtracted from revenue. They have no effect on profit.

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Post by NoPicklez »

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #15

I've honestly never understood the point of the tariffs. 1. They're massively unpopular and likely to cause electoral losses in '26 and '28 which will immediately undo them 2. Consumers know the tariffs will likely cause a recession, and will likely be undone in 4y. Pretty much every major spending purchase that can be delayed, will. 3. Companies know 4y is not enough time to invest in new supply chains or new manufa…

Pretty much, it will only look great for the next incumbent president to remove the tariffs that were put in place immediately.

And realistically even if major companies moved their businesses to the US, they would still need to pay US prices for the goods and people that would make them. I am sure someone has done a simple cost analysis, but prices would be higher regardless as it costs more to make the stuff in the US.

Although a 3090 is still a kickass GPU, it should still play new AA games for a long time (someone with a 3080).

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Post by sjsdaiuasgdia »

bloomingeek wrote: post #66
diego_moita wrote: post #47

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> I've honestly never understood the point of the tariffs. They are being implemented by people that think that "evolution is just a theory", "global warming is a hoax", "vaccines cause autism and are dangerous", etc. Free trade is a core belief of Economics as a science, from Adam Smith's "Wealth of Nations" until the Nobel Prize of Economics in 2024. And discarding inconvenient science is a standard among Republica…

I think you're only half right. Most people are woefully undereducated or unwilling to gain knowledge for the sake of understanding things in the modern world. A fatal flaw, because then they rely on smart sounding people, dressed in nice clothing, to tell them how to think. > I've honestly never understood the point of the tariffs.> At the risk of sounding rude, why the hell don't you understand the point of tariffs…

The "the" in "point of the tariffs" is enough to say that a specific collection of tariffs is being referred to, not the general concept of tariffs.

Given the Trump tariffs are the subject of the article this discussion is attached to and those tariffs are a major current event, they're the obvious default expansion of "the tariffs."

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