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DolphinGemma: How Google AI is helping decode dolphin communication

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Re: DolphinGemma: How Google AI is helping decode dolphin communication

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Post by trollied »

zoogeny wrote: post #53

Not directly related, but one of those stories that is so bizarre you almost can't believe it isn't made up. There was a NASA funded attempt to communicate with Dolphins. This eccentric scientist created a house that was half water (a series of connected pools) and half dry spaces. A woman named Margaret Howe Lovatt lived full-time with the Dolphins attempting to learn a shared language between them. Things went comp…

Remember the game Ecco The Dolphin? Related... https://www.vice.com/en/article/the-ketamine-secrets-of-sega...

Re: DolphinGemma: How Google AI is helping decode dolphin communication

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Post by patcon »

efitz wrote: post #86
9dev wrote: post #76

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Or, like, we could stop ravaging the oceans by industrial fishing, stop pretending magical technology will save the day, and try to limit our resource consumption to sustainable levels? Humanity’s relationship with animals is so schizophrenic. On the one hand, let’s try to learn how to talk to cute dolphins and chat with them what it’s like to swim! , and on the other, well yeah that steak on my table may have once l…

Humans are omnivores. I am unapologetic about obeying biological imperatives to eat other animals. At the same time, I want to be as humane as practical; I don’t want to cause needless suffering to any creature. If I kill a bug, I don’t want it to suffer. Same with food animals. The more like me an animal is, the less I want to eat it. There are a lot of humans. Any action to forcefully reduce the number of humans or…

Gross.

Re: DolphinGemma: How Google AI is helping decode dolphin communication

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Post by kcatskcolbdi »

FranzFerdiNaN wrote: post #119
efitz wrote: post #86

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Humans are omnivores. I am unapologetic about obeying biological imperatives to eat other animals. At the same time, I want to be as humane as practical; I don’t want to cause needless suffering to any creature. If I kill a bug, I don’t want it to suffer. Same with food animals. The more like me an animal is, the less I want to eat it. There are a lot of humans. Any action to forcefully reduce the number of humans or…

> Humans are omnivores. I am unapologetic about obeying biological imperatives to eat other animals. This is akin to saying ''humans are violent, so i am unapologetic about obeying biological imperatives to commit violence''. So just be honest: you WANT to eat meat because you like it, consequences be damned. And of course if you truly want to feed as many humans as possible the only solution is vegetarianism or even…

Do you also have this negative attitude towards all other non-vegitarian animals, or is it just for humans since they have more capability to cause more ecological harm?

Re: DolphinGemma: How Google AI is helping decode dolphin communication

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Post by vlovich123 »

nfw2 wrote: post #114
vlovich123 wrote: post #96

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Did I say anything about people complaining about Google? I think you misread or misinterpreted what I wrote.

You haven’t taken actions against me misinterpreting things. Why do you keep virtue signaling?

What’s inherently wrong with virtue signaling though? I’m signaling virtues of thoughtfulness and careful, reasoned, intellectual debate. What virtues do you think you’re signaling about yourself?

Re: DolphinGemma: How Google AI is helping decode dolphin communication

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Post by Der_Einzige »

patcon wrote: post #122
efitz wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Humans are omnivores. I am unapologetic about obeying biological imperatives to eat other animals. At the same time, I want to be as humane as practical; I don’t want to cause needless suffering to any creature. If I kill a bug, I don’t want it to suffer. Same with food animals. The more like me an animal is, the less I want to eat it. There are a lot of humans. Any action to forcefully reduce the number of humans or…

Gross.

What’s gross is the idea that plants are “lower” and thus less deserving of value to life. Either embrace radically life denying Jainism, anti-natalism, voluntary extinction movement, and benevolent world exploder theory - or admit that you are just as cruel as those you implicitly claim to be better than (as a presumably non gross person)

But white vegans aren’t prepared to actually reckon with the logical conclusion of their ideas. Go read David Benatar (he’s a vegan whose actually consistent btw)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Better_Never_to_Have_Been

Re: DolphinGemma: How Google AI is helping decode dolphin communication

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Post by Der_Einzige »

9dev wrote: post #78
lesuorac wrote: post #57

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I suspect Dolphins can tell people apart and will recognize you as not the guy that threw the bottle cap akin to all those stories about crows. Certainly will be interesting to see how much we can bribe Dolphins to do once we have faster communication methods.

So you think you’re not responsible for the fucked-up oceans because you let other people throw your trash into the sea for you, and the organically farmed salmon you eat surely wasn’t produced under atrocious conditions?

Embrace antinatalism and life denial or embrace amor fati. Sitting on the sidelines like so many others do on this topic is intellectually bankrupt.

Re: DolphinGemma: How Google AI is helping decode dolphin communication

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Post by pegasus »

patcon wrote: post #122
efitz wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Humans are omnivores. I am unapologetic about obeying biological imperatives to eat other animals. At the same time, I want to be as humane as practical; I don’t want to cause needless suffering to any creature. If I kill a bug, I don’t want it to suffer. Same with food animals. The more like me an animal is, the less I want to eat it. There are a lot of humans. Any action to forcefully reduce the number of humans or…

Gross.

Why? GP's arguments seem pretty reasonable and tame. What are yours?

Re: DolphinGemma: How Google AI is helping decode dolphin communication

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Post by pegasus »

Der_Einzige wrote: post #125
patcon wrote: post #122

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Gross.

What’s gross is the idea that plants are “lower” and thus less deserving of value to life. Either embrace radically life denying Jainism, anti-natalism, voluntary extinction movement, and benevolent world exploder theory - or admit that you are just as cruel as those you implicitly claim to be better than (as a presumably non gross person) But white vegans aren’t prepared to actually reckon with the logical conclusio…

How are plants not lower on an evolution scale than say, mammals? They are less complex biologically and less capable of affecting their environment.

Re: DolphinGemma: How Google AI is helping decode dolphin communication

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Post by lesuorac »

Der_Einzige wrote: post #126
9dev wrote: post #78

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So you think you’re not responsible for the fucked-up oceans because you let other people throw your trash into the sea for you, and the organically farmed salmon you eat surely wasn’t produced under atrocious conditions?

Embrace antinatalism and life denial or embrace amor fati. Sitting on the sidelines like so many others do on this topic is intellectually bankrupt.

Eh, collective punishment is the fallacy.

These problems are generally industrial in nature so it's very knowable as to where a large source of pollution comes from.

There just isn't a political will to actually enforce laws.

Re: DolphinGemma: How Google AI is helping decode dolphin communication

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Post by eric_cc »

lotyrin wrote: post #58
amarant wrote: post #44

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It's trendy to hate Google, and even more trendy to hate anything AI. The cynicism on display here is little more than virtue signalling and/or upvote farming. Sad to see such thoughtless behaviour has reached even this bastion of reason.

"virtue signalling" really is one of those words/turns of phrase that needs to be put on a high shelf. Plenty of people genuinely dislike the concentration of economic and computing power that big tech represents. Them expressing this is not "virtue signaling", it is an authentic moral position they hold. Plenty of people genuinely dislike the disregard for labor and intellectual property rights that anything Gen AI…

When you make these tribal, political comments in a thread like this one - signaling your virtues - what do you prefer us to call it?
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