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Re: Ask HN: I'm an MIT senior and still unemployed – and so are most of my friends

#121
A few thoughts:

0. It's not you, it's the job market and economic cycle. Many companies aren't hiring much at the moment because of economic uncertainty and unrealistic enthusiasm about AI-fueled automation. But the good (?) news is they are trying to cut costs by laying off senior people and hiring junior people like you. Keep applying.

1. You could lean into the EE side of things. Analog and digital design are still needed as we move into the era of RISC-V, robotics, AR/VR, self-driving cars, etc. You likely have a decent project portfolio already from your coursework. Also power engineering and efficiency are important at all scales.

2. An MEng from MIT (or another good school/program) would probably be interesting, challenging and fun, and you'd pick up some additional skills. It would also enable you to apply for internships, which can be easier to get than full-time/"permanent" positions, and can lead to the latter. Try to get teaching or research assistantships to avoid or reduce debt (even if it takes longer, it's worth it.) And you could potentially do a Ph.D. later on if it turns out that you like research.

3. Economic downturns can be good times to start companies because there are more people on the job market. Also you may be able to get good deals on office and lab space and equipment if you need it.

4. If you can't join a startup as a co-founder, you may be able to join as staff. Make sure they pay you a salary though.

5. Look into temporary or contract work, or any job you can get that pays money, ideally enough for food and rent in a starving student type shared residence. Then keep looking for something better.

Re: Ask HN: I'm an MIT senior and still unemployed – and so are most of my friends

#122
I graduated from MIT Course 6 10+ years ago. Have you considered doing a PhD? It's really worth it if you find the right match for a professor. A PhD would make it easier for you to find a job in this competitive environment (an MS alone, not so much).

Re: Ask HN: I'm an MIT senior and still unemployed – and so are most of my friends

#123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MIT kids get part time jobs waiting tables or working retail while in school, just like other college kids. My first job out of college was non-elite aircraft manufacturer... guy on my left was MIT, on my right was CalTech.

> MIT kids get part time jobs waiting tables or working retail while in school I seriously doubt that. This doesn't fit the class they come from. Maybe it would have in 1985 but not today.

I absolutely second that - MIT students of 70's, 80's and even early 90's were from different social class, demographics and personality types, than todays students.

Today, MIT is nothing but a shadow of its better known academic cartel up the Mass ave. Those who hire MIT students know that and plan accordingly. The only reason to hire MIT students is for branding propaganda, you get nothing more from them.

Re: Ask HN: I'm an MIT senior and still unemployed – and so are most of my friends

#124

A few thoughts: 0. It's not you, it's the job market and economic cycle. Many companies aren't hiring much at the moment because of economic uncertainty and unrealistic enthusiasm about AI-fueled automation. But the good (?) news is they are trying to cut costs by laying off senior people and hiring junior people like you. Keep applying. 1. You could lean into the EE side of things. Analog and digital design are stil…

+1

You might also attempt a "research staff" role at MIT. They used to have those back in the days and might still have them.

That would let you sit out the current craze and learn some useful things meanwhile.

Re: Ask HN: I'm an MIT senior and still unemployed – and so are most of my friends

#125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MIT students expect (not unfairly) to work at Jane Street/HRT/Jump/Citadel Securities/OpenAI/Anthropic and then "settle" for Google or Facebook. They're not going to work for Fidelity or Raytheon.

That's a bit of a charcacture of Course 6 at MIT. Course 10 is chemical engineering and plenty of them go into industry at all the major oil companies. Lots of MIT students go into aerospace and defense (Lincoln Labs is directly federally funded) and MIT holds a yearly Soldier Design Competition that also helps students go for SBIRs. Raytheon is a big hirer of course 2 (MechE) MIT grads.

That's only true of the ones on ROTC or similar military related programs, everyone else goes straight to Wall Street, big tech, or MBB or med school.

At the annual Fall job fair, 80% of students queue up to less than 10% of employers. Most companies never show up because it's simply not worth the cost and time to try to recruit spoiled brats of MIT

Re: Ask HN: I'm an MIT senior and still unemployed – and so are most of my friends

#126
post #83

Since there are currently no posts mentioning this, if you have down time, build something. Not because it will make you rich, but because it shows you have the grit to actually do something. It will also keep your skills fresh and/or grow them. These things do make a huge difference to hiring managers. Hunting for work in a down economy is hard and depressing. Building something is a excellent way to stave off depre…

This is more or less the advice that I was going to give. I would add on to it by recommending that, if you don't know what to build, go find an open source project with open pull requests and start fixing broken things. Keep track of your submissions and use them to start creating a portfolio of the professional work that you've done this way a gratis.

In addition to doing volunteer work this way, also look for various "bug bounty" situations for accumulating similar "professional micro-experiences" that you can also use to show that you have been crafting and delivering functional code into one or more projects.

Re: Ask HN: I'm an MIT senior and still unemployed – and so are most of my friends

#127

It's hard to face this when fresh out of school, but one piece of advice I can offer is to network as much as you can. Talk to folks you know that graduated before you and have a job. Talk to professors who might have industry ties in their history. Talk to folks in the career center. Try to be as visible as you can. Yes, I know that seems trivial considering you don't have job experience, but even building relations…

This is just old school fatherly advice, which doesn't represent today's reality at anywhere, let alone at MIT.

Most profs these days, went to grad school right out of college and never stepped foot in the industry. If they've had any contact within industry it's through some R&D grant with other PhDs. A few are in start-ups which means they only hire interns for $20/hr, and fresh off the boat indians and asians grad students.

Small or local companies don't want and can't pay salary of MIT grads; they've plenty of salt-of-the-earth local engineering school grads to chose from.

Re: Ask HN: I'm an MIT senior and still unemployed – and so are most of my friends

#128

Service industry (waiting tables is my go to) doesn't pay well but it does pay... I worked at Stinkies Fish Camp as a dishwasher fwiw after my 6 years as a Cyber Threat Operator in the AF (2012 government sequestration did wonders to clearance renewals). It sucked, but I lived. Well, survived. Best of luck, always keep a candle of hope to a wildcard interview!

lol, you sound like honest & decent fellow, assuming everyone else is like you - but you've no clue who you're advising.

Re: Ask HN: I'm an MIT senior and still unemployed – and so are most of my friends

#129
The most important skills you've gained from your education so far is the ability to learn and process. Take any tech related job you can right now, don't be picky. Strive to excel in whatever that job is and not just from the tech standpoint; the business and the processes are equally important. Keep your eye on the horizon for what role it is you really want but be aware that that goal might change over time.

And keep in talking to your friends. Who knows if between the lot of you, you've already thought of the next big thing.

Re: Ask HN: I'm an MIT senior and still unemployed – and so are most of my friends

#130
post #85

If MIT graduates don’t get jobs, who else is getting them?

you'd be surprised at who gets into MIT since the 2000's... MIT offers pass/fail classes and at least half a dozen version of each of its introductory classes - guess why that might be...
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