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The 'Judicial Black Hole' of El Salvador's Prisons Is a Warning for Americans

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Re: The 'Judicial Black Hole' of El Salvador's Prisons Is a Warning for Americans

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So if they lock up, torture (you are a gang member as you looked weird at your neighbour of 20 years who happens to be a friend of a the local police chief) and kill you and your family without any due process that's fine for the greater good? Don't think many people have that idea, probably nor do you; you just think so as it didn't happen to you yet. The overwhelming majority as you say does a lot here; where is th…

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So they "solved" gangs and installed a ruthless and illegal dictatorship in their place — which may in fact be secretly conspiring with those same gangs behind the scenes. I feel sorry for El Salvador. It may now have to experience several generations of Soviet-style repression and suffering before a new regime is able to overthrow the current one. Meanwhile, thousands of families will never get to find out what happ…

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You have no idea what my origins are. And I'm not sure why you're so furiously and emotionally defending this dictator all over this thread. I wonder if you've even read the article? Maybe take a few minutes and see if it changes how you feel.

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Suffering as a Service

Not to minimize what's going on down there, but that also sounds like an apt backronym for other SaaS products I've tried.

It's more efficient because you introduce a middleman and ignore pesky regulations. Thank god we've discovered this important thing that's never existed in history and created so much wealth exploiting this very new technological dynamic.

Re: The 'Judicial Black Hole' of El Salvador's Prisons Is a Warning for Americans

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Like in the UK for spicy social media posts?

Refresh my memory, who was sent to an extrajudicial prison in a foreign country without so much as a trail for a spicy social media post in the UK?

Just flag the comment and move on.

Don't feed the troll.

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Note that this often happens because countries won’t repatriate their own criminal citizens: https://www.cnn.com/2017/08/23/politics/trump-visa-sanctions...

Yes this was the case for Venezuela, they started taking flights again when the El Salvador news came out.

Refusing to repatriate citizens was part of the argument the Trump admin used to justify use of the Alien Enemies act.

If this holds up in court the strategy going forward is pretty obvious. Any country that refuses to repatriate criminals will get hit with the AEA. This will be very politically painful for any country as they rely heavily on remittances from undocumented immigrants in the US, and will quickly fold.

Re: The 'Judicial Black Hole' of El Salvador's Prisons Is a Warning for Americans

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The homicide rate in El Salvador has dropped from 100 per 100,000 to 2.5 per 100,000 in just a decade: https://www.statista.com/statistics/696152/homicide-rate-in-... . The El Salvadoran government has literally brought the country to an entirely different level of development, vastly improving the lives of most of the country’s 6 million people. Disorder and dysfunction doesn’t just hurt those who are killed. It’s a…

If you can put any person 12 years and up in jail without a trial, and you don't care about accidentally hurting innocent ones I'm surprised it is 2.5 per 100,000 and not 0 per 100,000.

El Salvador currently has the highest incarceration rate in the world, and its president now is serving second term which is not allowed by their constitution.

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Suffering as a Service

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I remember a time when decreased murder rates was just a lie by the government. But we all know nobody's more trustworthy than the El Salvadorian regime, especially when it results in an influx of cash.

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And what role do you think the us had in destabilizing their country and building violent drug rulings across the world from its regressive anti drug policy?

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I don't think many people have actually contemplated what absence of law, defined as rules that apply to rich and powerful people too, is like. In a world with law, there are restriction on what society's most powerful can and can't do, because there are police officers, detectives, lawyers, and judges, who all work together to make sure there are consequences for crimes. In a world without law, the only restriction…

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Oh please tell me when we suspended immigration laws and opened our borders

Re: The 'Judicial Black Hole' of El Salvador's Prisons Is a Warning for Americans

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> so they could use it as an eternal campaign issue clarification - its the republicans that used it as a campaign issue. the dems just assumed it was settled law

“Assumed it was settled law”, despite RBG herself at the time saying what amounted to “this is a flimsy interpretation that will likely be overturned, but we’re going to make it anyway and the government should codify it into law rather than relying on us legislating from the bench”. Spoiler: No democratic president/congress ever bothered to, and it was rightfully (in a legal, not moral sense) overturned just as she…

Please show me when there were 60 senators who would support this. Oh that's right at no point did that exist. Obama barely had 60 for Obamacare and that includes multiple people who would never vote for abortion. So your spoiler is quite divorced from reality
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