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Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by apwell23 »

highwaylights wrote: post #88
apexalpha wrote: post #45

At my (enterprise) job there has been a noticable shift in attitude. We've just decided to use Mistral for OCR, even though everything we currently use is embedded in Azure / IntelDocs or something. Usually any push for EU products would be dismissed because of the initial friction compared to SV products. This seems to have shifted significantly all the way to the top. Everyone seems on board to just accept more fri…

IMHO this is the big story here. Large companies aren’t driven by opinion/ethics/politics except where there’s a branding incentive, so the motivation here is cost/risk. That these same companies are actively trying to nope right out of the US tech market where they can shows that they’ve priced in very real costs to both Trump’s unpredictability and the very predictable response to tariffs in their domestic markets.…

> IMHO this is the big story here.

Its not until we actually see numbers. This guy could be making up/exaggerating ( "everyone" really?) these stories, because thats what ppl do on the internet.

These type of protests usually die down because human beings always choose convenience and lower price.

Also see blm, dei and other "movements" that died down as soon as news cycle changed.

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

mixedbit wrote: post #8

The incoming Q1 earning reports will show if these actions are mainstream enough to make a visible dent in companies quarterly earnings. For now, the already reported Tesla sales numbers in Europe are substantially down, but Tesla is the strongest target of the boycott. It will be interesting to see if consumer companies such as Coca Cola, Nike, Amazon also report a substantial drop in EU sales.

There were numbers released today about "A-brand" sales in supermarkets, unfortunately Coca-Cola is still at the top for revenue: https://nos.nl/artikel/2560913-omzet-a-merken-in-supermarkt-...

Which... I never realised, I didn't think soda was still so popular, let alone coca-cola and co.

I do find it hillarious that Red Bull outsells Heineken nowadays. And I'm happy to see Hertog Jan sells much better, it tastes much better than Heineken.

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Post by Barrin92 »

hyruo wrote: post #59

The United States promoted globalization, and the United States ended the process of globalization.

globalization is going to continue, even among unlikely partners, see for example[1]. The US putting itself behind an Iron Curtain, is of course not going to change the reality that the rest of the world needs, and benefits from trade just as much as it has until now. It was true in the time of Adam Smith, it will be true in a hundred years. All it does is effectively end America's influence in the world out of a bizarre ideological isolationism, genuinely like a sort of funhouse mirror USSR.

[1]https://apnews.com/article/japan-china-south-korea-foreign-m...

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Post by bolobo »

bad_user wrote: post #61
oulipo wrote: post #36

Honestly I had long not wanted to do it, but now I started to get a server on Hetzner ($4/mo) and install Dokploy ( https://github.com/Dokploy/dokploy ) `curl -sSL https://dokploy.com/install.sh | sh` and then you have tens of templates for alternative self-hosted websites that you can use (Hoarder for bookmarks, ownCloud to replace Dropbox, etc) I'm not going to keep putting all my notes and personal data in the han…

Self-hosting hundreds of GBs of data isn't feasible, you also need backups and it's a terrible idea for most people. Hetzner does provide managed Nextcloud instances. For bookmarks, I recommend Linkding: https://linkding.link

> Self-hosting hundreds of GBs of data isn't feasible

Why wouldn't it be feasible? Storage is cheap, backups are cheap. It's not for everyone, obviously, but for 20 EUR/month you can get a VM with a couple hundred GB of storage and 1TB of backups on a storagebox in hetzner. Or have a raspberry pi with a 1TB SSD in your home, or both!

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Post by pjc50 »

hyruo wrote: post #59

The United States promoted globalization, and the United States ended the process of globalization.

Pax Americana and Team America World Police only works so long as the cop is willing to play by their own rules.

In some ways the critical event was the BLM protests. Faced with the question of "are police subject to the rule of law", the country comprehensively chose "no". Combined with the decades-long process of stacking the Supreme Court with partisan judges to overturn Roe v. Wade, this eroded rule of law really badly to the point that all this was able to happen. And now they're trying to export gunpoint extortion as an international norm.

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Post by flowerlad »

iammjm wrote: post #118

Europeans were perfectly happy to buy American tech und military exports, thus earning U.S. money and making EU technologically and politically dependent from the U.S. - it really was perfect for the U.S. But the US decided that it was actually a BAD DEAL and they wanted to extort even more money and dependence from EU. So now EU is investing in their own tech and military, thus reducing the amount of money US is get…

> Your boy trump did do deliver, is the US now GREAT enough for you yet?

Not our boy. Trump was elected by uneducated farmers, not by HN crowd.

Almost 78% of farmers endorsed his most recent presidential run. https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-farmers-voted-trump-feeling-210...

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Post by ETH_start »

hnbad wrote: post #48
ETH_start wrote: post #9

This reminds me of Soviet ersatz products. Like the Soviet Union, the European Union operates at a scale where it can feasibly create a nearly full suite of goods/services in parallel to the market alternative.

> the market alternative It's interesting that you imply the European Union is communist or state capitalist in a similar way to the Soviet Union or that European Alternatives are not part of the market, analogous to state-produced consumer goods in the Soviet Union. It's especially interesting (which is a nice way of saying preposterous) considering the primary function of the European Union has always been a Europe…

The EU is of course much more market-based than the Soviet Union, but the analogy is not totally without merit.

Legislation like General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR), the Digital Markets Act (DMA), the Digital Services Act (DSA), and the Forestry Regulation, as well as heavy tax burdens and expansive restrictions on contracting freedom in the labor sector, have resulted in a situation where no EU company founded from scratch in the last 50 years has a market capitalization exceeding €100 billion, while the US has six such companies valued over €1 trillion. Also, the EU has only 14 publicly traded companies, founded from scratch within the last 50 years, worth at least $10 billion, with a combined market cap of $430 billion. In contrast, the US has 241 such companies (data here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1e3MnYQ044U1gzi_8bDMo...), and they're collectively worth nearly $30 trillion — almost 70 times the EU total.

source: https://geekway.substack.com/p/a-visualization-of-europes-no...

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Post by sznio »

JdeBP wrote: post #116
GaggiX wrote: post #10

Youtube is the real tough one to replace, BiliBili is probably the only one that comes close to it and it's Chinese.

In addition to the others elsethread, there's also Nebula; which goes for being creator-owned, not suppressive of minority content (which has seen it banned by LG as a consequence), and subscription model rather than advertisement model. * https://nebula.tv/faq

>banned by LG

LG? you mean the tv company?

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Post by baxtr »

mixedbit wrote: post #8

The incoming Q1 earning reports will show if these actions are mainstream enough to make a visible dent in companies quarterly earnings. For now, the already reported Tesla sales numbers in Europe are substantially down, but Tesla is the strongest target of the boycott. It will be interesting to see if consumer companies such as Coca Cola, Nike, Amazon also report a substantial drop in EU sales.

I don’t think that it will be visible so quickly. These things will take more time.

Will my company switch away from azure today? Probably not. Will my company include more European alternatives in the next vendor selection. Definitely yes.

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Post by zwnow »

flowerlad wrote: post #126
iammjm wrote: post #118

Europeans were perfectly happy to buy American tech und military exports, thus earning U.S. money and making EU technologically and politically dependent from the U.S. - it really was perfect for the U.S. But the US decided that it was actually a BAD DEAL and they wanted to extort even more money and dependence from EU. So now EU is investing in their own tech and military, thus reducing the amount of money US is get…

> Your boy trump did do deliver, is the US now GREAT enough for you yet? Not our boy. Trump was elected by uneducated farmers, not by HN crowd. Almost 78% of farmers endorsed his most recent presidential run. https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-farmers-voted-trump-feeling-210...

Its always the farmers fault... Like it was in Germany back in the day.

Keep people uneducated, dont support the poor and then act like you will solve these issues, its conservative 101

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