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Re: Moving away from US cloud services

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Post by wkat4242 »

systemf_omega wrote: post #104
nickslaughter02 wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Privacy rights in the EU are being eroded as we speak. Unless people there get off their high horse, they'll succumb to the same level of authoritarianism and surveillance as in the states. Last time I checked not even the US is proposing to install AI agents on everybody's phone to surveil your encrypted messages (look up chat control, last meeting not even 2 months ago). Soon people will start looking for non-EU…

> Disagree, some of the EU clouds are already well on their way. Feel free to drop a few links. Digital EU projects tend to be absolute disasters run by bureaucrats. They always result in some 100 page long document, talking about planning a plan for creating a planning framework. Also throw in the words sovereign and digital transformation, for maximum corpo-political bullshit.

Sure there's more bureaucracy here but in the end they work out fine.

Galileo works perfectly as a counterpart to GPS. GDPR was also a resounding success.

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Post by MartijnHols »

aucisson_masque wrote: post #34

About Bitwarden, i have a setting to use European server when I connect to and register a new account. Wouldn’t it have been easier to just migrate from Bitwarden us server to European server ? Proton pass free tier lack feature compared to Bitwarden. Beside id argue that no cloud is better than European cloud. There is keepass for instance, with syncthing it works pretty well.

Even on European servers, it’s still controlled by a US organisation, so if Bitwarden is required to shut down access, they will. For an example where this happens, this court verdict from The Netherlands shows Microsoft's Dutch branch refusing to grant access to data (on its EU servers) of a Dutch company, to a Dutch curator who by law must be given access, because of trade sanctions on the majority owner: https://uitspraken.rechtspraak.nl/details?id=ECLI:NL:RBAMS:2...

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Post by timeon »

drstewart wrote: post #10

>At the very least, think twice before signing up for new US services. Consider European services instead. To be clear, this Europe? https://www.europol.europa.eu/media-press/newsroom/news/euro...

Trying to pass the law (and fail) is bit different than having laws like patriot act and rooms like 641A.

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Post by fiatjaf »

ddalex wrote: post #75
aetherspawn wrote: post #62

Hey so I’m pretty sure you can host your own business mail for free these days without a static IP. This is basically how it would go: Cloudflare Tunnel installed on your box (free) Cloudflare Email Worker connected to your domain which writes emails to a KV store (generous free tiers) Cloudflare Worker that downloads the emails from the KV store and uses Worker TCP sockets to send it to your mail server over the tun…

isn't cloudflare a US corp ?

Not only a US Corp, it's an arm of US intelligence.

Re: Moving away from US cloud services

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Post by mytailorisrich »

cbg0 wrote: post #103
mytailorisrich wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Virtually all foreign companies that set-up shop in Europe (or anywhere else) do so by setting up local subsidiaries. Google, Amazon, Facebook, Apple, etc. When you deal with all of these guys in Europe you deal with their local subsidiary(ies), not the US mothership.

I'm aware of their use of subsidiaries, but is this true for ownership of the buildings and hardware, or just something done for tax purposes?

Usually everything is through subsidiaries. For tax and profit allocation purposes the way it works is that you set up subsidiaries in tax-friendly jurisdictions and then channel the profits to them through contracts between subsidiaries.

The general point is what does "moving away from US cloud services" mean, then?

Does it mean not using infrastructure actually located in the US? Or does it mean effectively boycotting US-owned companies that may be fully located, including infrastructure, in Europe?

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Post by wkat4242 »

pmdr wrote: post #96
ptsneves wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am migrating away from Proton. In theory they check all marks, in practice they fail in delivering baseline functionality in all categories. 1. The Web interface email is so-so, but the proxy email bridge is really heavy and takes a huge amount of disk space. It also makes my computer start flying from time to time. The iOS email client(very important as they dont support standard protocols) is just useless. The te…

> 3. ProtonVPN: Good on paper, totally untrusted and blocked by the internet. I can't navigate without filling 10 captchas or just be outright blocked. Even residential IPs are being blocked nowadays, we have Cloudflare to thank for that.

Yes! I run Firefox on Linux and I constantly get captcha'd everywhere (by that typical cloudflare loading page) because I'm not part of the 95% that runs Windows or Mac. Cloudflare is an awful thing for the internet.

Re: Moving away from US cloud services

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Post by fullstackwife »

nickslaughter02 wrote: post #98

I would like to see a movement more along the lines of "Moving away from cloud services", not just US services. Our computers are faster than ever, internet bandwidth is not a problem, public IPs affordable. Why not self host when possible?

It is important to not lock yourself into any cloud provider. For example using services like Firebase, which are very good, means you cannot *easily* move to self host once your business idea turns out to be a success.
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