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Amazon plans to lay off 14,000 managerial positions to save $3.5B yearly

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Re: Amazon plans to lay off 14,000 managerial positions to save $3.5B yearly

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Genuinely unique experience for you probably. I think career wise in 20 years I'd break down my experience as - 25% benign, 25% malign, 50% good. This is across 6+ companies, 15-20 managers.

Do the break down for developers.

A manager can put you on PIP, have you fired, and make your life miserable for months to years. What can an engineer do? Write some bad code that is a little annoying to refactor?

Re: Amazon plans to lay off 14,000 managerial positions to save $3.5B yearly

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We mostly didn't have RCA jacks in Europe when I grew up. But nevermind; this is not the same. Amazon largely consists of two internally grown businesses: Retail and AWS. They are wildly different.

Then you must have grow up at a particular time which didnt have them. There was a time period where it would be unusual to have a TV or VCR without them.

We had the much more fabulous SCART. But I fear we may be drifting off-topic.

Re: Amazon plans to lay off 14,000 managerial positions to save $3.5B yearly

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A lot of managers can be automated. Few are making creative decisions that can be replaced by a computer, and smaller teams of managers.

The primary output of managers is not "making creative decisions" in fact that's probably not anywhere close to the top line.

And because they are only doing administration and reviews, they are even lesser required.

Re: Amazon plans to lay off 14,000 managerial positions to save $3.5B yearly

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SDE, just passed ten years at Amazon; opinions my own, obvs. The three best managers I've worked with in my career have all been at Amazon (you know who you are). Also the three worst (ditto). And the respective bars were pretty [high | low] coming in. Just like everywhere else I've been, it comes down to the individual. Amazon, as far as I can tell, have never tried to homogenize management. Your team delivers? You're in.

Re: Amazon plans to lay off 14,000 managerial positions to save $3.5B yearly

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I'm going to make the observation that politics in a company is caused by management. The more "politics" you have at a company, the more you pay in a "political tax". Effort which should benefit the company is delayed or made harder as employees have to bob and weave to get through the politics. I do believe if you want real culture change in a company, the best way to do it is to show managers the door, because tha…

Figuring out "bad management" is really a hard problem. The same problem exists in the government bureaucracies too.

"Management is that for which there is no algorithm. If there's an algorithm, it's administration." (Maurice Wilkes, IIRC)

Re: Amazon plans to lay off 14,000 managerial positions to save $3.5B yearly

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For context: Total # Employee: 1,556,000 Planned # Layoff: 14,000 (or 0.9%) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_(company)

This isn't the whole story though. While Amazon might have 1.5m employees, many of those are going to be in the fulfilment and distribution process, which is a very different place to being in engineering/product/finance/business/marketing working in an office. I think it would be more useful to split the company down that line, in which case Amazon probably have ~300k(?) on the office side, and this represents more…

Now this is proper context, thank you.

Re: Amazon plans to lay off 14,000 managerial positions to save $3.5B yearly

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You have a very warped view of the world if you think most companies, or even Amazon in particular, are expecting their employees to be “breaking doors”. They are literally mandating people come in to sit in a room on video calls with people sitting in a room in other offices all around the country/world. That’s the most egregious one, but add up all the controls, pair it with layoffs and threats of more, and you’re…

To be fair, OP was talking about the companies' expectations, not the behavior they are incentivizing. Many companies expect their employees to innovate, while implementing processes that prevent innovation. Many companies expect their employees to "take courageous risks" while punishing risk-taking that goes wrong. Many companies expect their employees to "act like they are owners" while giving them no equity or pro…

Ah yes, I do see that distinction. I was only talking about what they were _doing_, not what they _expected_

Re: Amazon plans to lay off 14,000 managerial positions to save $3.5B yearly

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Interesting that the math tells us AMZN average manager compensation is $250k? Seems.. low?

$250K is low: Kind of a "Peak HN" comment :). I was actually going to say it seems kind of high. This looks like it's globally, not just in high COL areas, and across all levels of management, not just Directors and VPs. Kind of surprising the average is that high.

Then again, this is HN, where they say the "average" tech worker in the world makes $400K and drives a Ferrari.

Re: Amazon plans to lay off 14,000 managerial positions to save $3.5B yearly

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Who created the policies and procedures?

If the answer you were looking for was "managers", then you have no concept of just how big Amazon is. According to TFA they have about 106000 managers before this layoff. You don't give 106k people any meaningful control over the company's policies and procedures, that has to come from the layers above the managers, probably several layers up.

So, the people that manage the managers?
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