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Re: Ex-Facebook director's new book paints brutal image of Mark Zuckerberg

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Post by milesrout »

blitzar wrote: post #58
lynx97 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am sorry, but this attitude is sexist. My allies are those I can relate to, those which I can cooperate with. I don't pick my allies based on gender, and nor should you. And you shouldn't coerce anyone into forming alliances based on gender. It is the person that matters, not their gender or race or whatever other random attribute.

Its sexism all the way down - Sandberg would not have done that to a male subordinate (who's wife was giving birth) and a male boss would not have done that to Wynn-Williams. Women should not discriminate against women in the workplace because they are women.

Plenty of men get asked to do work that takes them away from their families, including at special events.

Controversial, but shouldn't be: men are on average better at standing up for themselves and saying "no".

Re: Ex-Facebook director's new book paints brutal image of Mark Zuckerberg

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Post by latexr »

theK wrote: post #111
zelphirkalt wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the other hand, if you are that far in, that you are "flirting with the C suite", it is almost impossible not to have knowledge about you having joined a data gobbling sect/mafia, that will eat you up alive, if you upset them. So while she should have been aware that she makes her own decisions, she might also have been aware of what happens, if she does.

> while she should have been aware that she makes her own decisions, she might also have been aware of what happens, if she does. I don't understand. In my world view, owning your decisions includes understanding the paths those decisions might lead to and finding your ~piece~peace with that. EDIT: s/piece/peace/

> EDIT: s/piece/peace/

This is a minor typo whose real intent was still understandable, you fixed it right away, and no one had replied yet. Adding the fake strike through and edit note makes your post a bit harder and more inconvenient to read with no advantage. You can just edit it in place, there would be no harm to it.

Re: Ex-Facebook director's new book paints brutal image of Mark Zuckerberg

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Post by milesrout »

HenryBemis wrote: post #42
TeMPOraL wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because your opinion is wrong. Problems with social media notwithstanding, just because you don't like the person who's running/ruining/most associated with the brand, doesn't make the product itself bad. Most people don't give two fraks about who Bezos or Musk or Zuckerberg are, and they definitely don't think of them when using products and services from the companies you mentioned.

> Because your opinion is wrong. I was having a strong argument/discussion yesterday with a friend who is a communist. A real "I want hammer and sickle" kinda guy. He owns two homes, works for big-pharma, his wife works for big-logistic, scuba-diving vacations across the planet, very 'communist' way of life. His opinions (just as the parent-commenter) are not 'wrong'. His/her/our/their (not pronouns, just groups of p…

>a friend who is a communist.

>His opinions (just as the parent-commenter) are not 'wrong'.

Yes they are. Communism is obviously wrong. Are you joking?

Re: Ex-Facebook director's new book paints brutal image of Mark Zuckerberg

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Post by KaiserPro »

isoprophlex wrote: post #7

Good to have more people expose the greedy, dictatorial, detrimental shitshow that is single individuals having an outsized control over important technology. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Noone should be as big as Zuck, Musk, Altman, Bezos... I had one moment of eyebrow-raising while reading the article. On the risk of blaming someone who was mind controlled into caring too much about ultimately unimportant, s…

> My thinking is... can you put this 100% on Sandberg? I mean, I get that the culture is bad, but there's two in this game. Maybe... turn off your phone for a day when you're giving birth?!

Do you want your job still?

sure you can take "holiday", but if you don't please your capricious master, you'll not have a job to come back to.

I can well believe that Sandberg is someone who lacks empathy of her immediate underlings, the mission comes first after all.

Re: Ex-Facebook director's new book paints brutal image of Mark Zuckerberg

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Post by latexr »

milesrout wrote: post #118
blitzar wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If Sandberg was a man it would not have happened. Woman-on-Woman violence in the workplace has to stop, instead of trying to constantly take each other down they need to be better allies to other women. Especially true for those that aspire to be role models for successful women and write books about how to "Lean In".

It isn't violence. Stop this stupid hyperbole. Violence is a real term. Don't water it down.

“Violence” means “to damage or adversely affect” and includes psychological harm. This is recognised by dictionaries.

Re: Ex-Facebook director's new book paints brutal image of Mark Zuckerberg

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Post by KingMob »

2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #64

Hahahahahaha, sore over losing in Ticket to Ride and Catan. Those aren’t even “serious” games.

In addition to it all, Zuck's taste in board games is basic.

Though he's still ahead of Elon, who was busted for boosting his Path of Exile 2 account.

Re: Ex-Facebook director's new book paints brutal image of Mark Zuckerberg

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Post by PaulRobinson »

isoprophlex wrote: post #7

Good to have more people expose the greedy, dictatorial, detrimental shitshow that is single individuals having an outsized control over important technology. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Noone should be as big as Zuck, Musk, Altman, Bezos... I had one moment of eyebrow-raising while reading the article. On the risk of blaming someone who was mind controlled into caring too much about ultimately unimportant, s…

Blaming victims for the abuse they suffer is a common theme in modern society.

The fact she felt she could not turn her phone off without there being consequences is the core point here.

Re: Ex-Facebook director's new book paints brutal image of Mark Zuckerberg

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Post by KaiserPro »

readthenotes1 wrote: post #11

"Joel Kaplan, had sexually harassed her. ... and Kaplan, the company’s newly appointed president of global affairs;" Nominative determinism? -- On a different note, Obama, the ex-president with theoretically no official power, is calling up CEOs privately to get them to behave differently? Seems like the Twitter files weren't the only corporate being influenced

> On a different note, Obama, the ex-president with theoretically no official power, is calling up CEOs privately to get them to behave differently?

Then its a private citizen calling someone in their network. standard 1st amendment stuff right

If its making a speech about it in public, again perfectly above board.

Threatening to use executive power in private, very much not.

However the USA is arresting people for organising protests, so that whole freedom of speech thing has gone a bit stale, alas.

Re: Ex-Facebook director's new book paints brutal image of Mark Zuckerberg

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Post by gmac »

anal_reactor wrote: post #120
latexr wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Has anyone ever seen Facebbok as idealistic? That’s how Zuckerberg painted it, and no doubt there were people who bought it, at least internally. See the red book. https://www.map.cv/blog/redbook

The number of people who drank the kool-aid is astonishing. To the same tune, I think that if you tell people that politicians lie, majority of them will be deeply shocked, hurt, and offended.

> if you tell people that politicians lie

If you do it as a blanket statement — i.e. all politicians lie all the time — then yes, I will be pretty irritated.

Some politicians spout dangerous nonsense most of the time.

Other politicians can be trusted most of the time, and when they lie it tends towards 'spin' or 'being economical with the truth' (such as: "we are spending more on education than ever before" — when this is true in nominal/absolute terms but false in real/per-pupil terms).

There is a world of difference between these positions, and treating them alike (as many do) undermines democracies.

Re: Ex-Facebook director's new book paints brutal image of Mark Zuckerberg

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Post by latexr »

Galanwe wrote: post #91
isoprophlex wrote: post #7

Good to have more people expose the greedy, dictatorial, detrimental shitshow that is single individuals having an outsized control over important technology. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Noone should be as big as Zuck, Musk, Altman, Bezos... I had one moment of eyebrow-raising while reading the article. On the risk of blaming someone who was mind controlled into caring too much about ultimately unimportant, s…

> Noone should be as big as Zuck, Musk, Altman, Bezos... There should be a level of market cap where you company has to split, period. Megacorps create oligarchs, ruin competition and cheat antitrust.

Or have a tax bracket after which you pay 100%.
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