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Re: Ask HN: Where do seasoned devs look for short-term work?

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Don't focus on finding work, you'll just be selling your time to the lowest bidder.

If you can afford it, build something for free, blog what you learn, and ship it. Build a portfolio of real working software and technical writing. If your software has users, talk to them and you should find plenty of work.

Re: Ask HN: Where do seasoned devs look for short-term work?

#123

I think your network is the best place to look for this sort of work. Sometimes people will reach out to me with short term projects which is the best way to get gigs like this. Maybe start looking at your colleagues on linkedin, see what they are up to, and think of ways to contribute to what they are working on. The best people to contact in this scenario are leadership and decision makers. A SWE II isn't gonna hel…

I've found when people ask this question, it's usually because they don't have a network to ask. Or, right or wrong, they just don't like the social aspect of going to their friends for work.

To be fair, there's a good argument for never mixing friends and business. You wouldn't want a project that goes wrong (which is a risk of doing business and somewhat expected and budgeted for on both sides) to jeopardize an friendship, and similarly you wouldn't want someone exploiting your friendship to get an unfair advantage in business (that they will often not reciprocate if the situation was reversed).

Re: Ask HN: Where do seasoned devs look for short-term work?

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> deeply shameful Your feelings are what they are, but this is the least shameful post I would ever see on LinkedIn. It's someone actually looking for work! and not just posting some super cringe low-IQ engagement-farm copypasta. Finding work is exactly what LinkedIn ought to be for

OMG there was one about how an engineer in San Francisco is crying about his $2K in salad bills and his Cyber Truck while making like a half a mil a year

For others who missed it.. https://www.threads.net/@austinnasso/post/DFLc9-hv4xg?hl=en

Re: Ask HN: Where do seasoned devs look for short-term work?

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Publishing articles, etc to demo your skill helps you stay top of mind. Even if only the 5 people in your network see it, they are the 5 people that need that steady reminder of your skills and availability. I’ve also hired people outside my network this way, when I happened to stumble on someone with a great article in the exact thing I’m working on.

I've started thinking about this. Articles/blogs/repos to generate interesting opportunities. It's one thing to network and talk about your skills. It's a different thing to demonstrate them.

In my experience, admittedly not that long term yet, no one even looks at repositories. I got really good stuff in there, that demonstrates my developer skills, but hiring people never seemed to even have taken a look, nor shown any interest in what I might be able to present to them. Instead they me gave BS ad-hoc coding tasks in the interviews. Could also be, that they are unfamiliar with any of the not mainstream stuff I did and did not dare ask questions, because they felt out of their own depth.

Re: Ask HN: Where do seasoned devs look for short-term work?

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post #34

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> deeply shameful Your feelings are what they are, but this is the least shameful post I would ever see on LinkedIn. It's someone actually looking for work! and not just posting some super cringe low-IQ engagement-farm copypasta. Finding work is exactly what LinkedIn ought to be for

I certainly don't think it's shameful. But, while that's more or less what LinkedIn was intended for, it's also become sort of a last man standing medium for professional professional posts--or at least pointers to such--unless you can organically drive enough traffic to a subscription or a website.

I guess the reality is, what we term "shameful, amoral, slimy and vapid LinkedIn spammers" are actually thousands of relatively like-minded people all saying some variation of "please let me get/keep a job or I won't be able to keep living" in just a creative/repetitive enough fashion that one or more recruiters/persons who know other people will keep them in orbit for the next source of income.

I have been on the other side of this (not doing it) and the effects are fairly straightforward: no more paychecks.

I guess if you're not a recruiter or your job prospects are taken care of, you can safely pretend the LinkedIn social feed doesn't exist - it isn't written for you. Its sole purpose is for people to get what they need to survive and carry on. So I've resolved to not blame others for having to post there so much. This is money - hence life - were talking about here, unfortunately or not.

Re: Ask HN: Where do seasoned devs look for short-term work?

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Having the right technical skills is only 50% of the requirement (and realistically even less than that). The harder battle is being a good salesman. Push yourself and your services at every opportunity. Send mass emails to friends and old collegues. Write daily puke-inducing posts on LinkedIn. Write blog posts and make toy Github projects with "looking for work" blurbs at the top of each one. Set a goal to post N ti…

Ugh. This is probably one of those "Thanks, I hate it!" moments. You're probably 100% right, and this is why I could never be an independent contractor. This kind of self-promotion and lead generation seems so demeaning, slimy, and shameful, and I'd probably die of embarrassment if I ever had to do it. Yet it comes so naturally to some people. It sucks that this kind of skill is required to make it on your own.

I just see it as a "mask" you put on for a specific audience that has the potential to greatly increase your prospects and then take off everywhere else. At a certain point the prospects (not going broke) override any shame you could feel.

I don't think selling oneself is something that reflects on one's character given what's at stake. The important people who know who you really are will also treat that mask of yours as fake. But they could also play up your appeals in the LinkedIn comments section to ultimately improve your chances of... getting a job. Which is all that really matters at the end of the day.

Re: Ask HN: Where do seasoned devs look for short-term work?

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Ugh. This is probably one of those "Thanks, I hate it!" moments. You're probably 100% right, and this is why I could never be an independent contractor. This kind of self-promotion and lead generation seems so demeaning, slimy, and shameful, and I'd probably die of embarrassment if I ever had to do it. Yet it comes so naturally to some people. It sucks that this kind of skill is required to make it on your own.

The way I would describe it is: "How do you like applying to new jobs and doing interviews? Now imagine that being half your job."

Contractors have to do the leetcode monkey dance for prospects?

Re: Ask HN: Where do seasoned devs look for short-term work?

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Everyone in the world, including a million experienced programmers, are already showcasing their skills in a "genuine and authentic" way. Why are you better than anyone else for the job?

I don't think they are, and I don't think it's necessary (or possible) to be better than anyone else.

I assume there is some miscommunication happening in this thread but of course some people are more competent than others in a given field/role and if you disagree I'm not sure what to say.

Re: Ask HN: Where do seasoned devs look for short-term work?

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A. Within your circles. Make sure everyone knows you are available. B. Think of best creative solutions you came up with throughout your career. Use LLM to write a post every other day (!). Within a month, you have 15 posts, which people will find useful as they search. At the bottom f each put your contact details and a closing paragraph that you are available for consultancy.

>Use LLM to write a post every other day (!). Within a month, you have 15 posts, which people will find useful as they search.

I don't think anyone will find this useful.

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