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Intel appoints Lip-Bu Tan as its CEO

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Re: Intel appoints Lip-Bu Tan as its CEO

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Post by falcor84 »

anonym29 wrote: post #34
falcor84 wrote: post #31

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Practicing a religion in your own, and asking your employees to practice it are two very different things

I'm agnostic, but I wouldn't personally be offended or bothered if my Indian CEO sent out a letter asking my coworkers and I to try Hindu meditation or yoga, nor would I be offended or bothered by Pat's suggestion, nor by a suggestion that I try fasting for the month of Ramadan, etc etc. Am I misunderstanding some aspect of this? Was Pat demanding rather than asking or something like that?

Maybe we're just different, but I would be extremely offended by a suggestion that I fast for ramadan, just as I would if I were asked to eat kosher for a month, or to go on a vegan diet for a month, or even just to watch his favorite cooking show for a month. Whether they were suggestions, requests or demands, I find these to be unreasonable intrusions of the company into people's private lives. Asking people to pray, might be a tiny bit less intrusive, but I still find it to be unreasonable.

Re: Intel appoints Lip-Bu Tan as its CEO

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Post by anonym29 »

falcor84 wrote: post #121
anonym29 wrote: post #34

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I'm agnostic, but I wouldn't personally be offended or bothered if my Indian CEO sent out a letter asking my coworkers and I to try Hindu meditation or yoga, nor would I be offended or bothered by Pat's suggestion, nor by a suggestion that I try fasting for the month of Ramadan, etc etc. Am I misunderstanding some aspect of this? Was Pat demanding rather than asking or something like that?

Maybe we're just different, but I would be extremely offended by a suggestion that I fast for ramadan, just as I would if I were asked to eat kosher for a month, or to go on a vegan diet for a month, or even just to watch his favorite cooking show for a month. Whether they were suggestions, requests or demands, I find these to be unreasonable intrusions of the company into people's private lives. Asking people to pra…

Would you be more offended by your employer contacting you during your vacation to ask you to work, or is that less offensive to you because it's less unrelated to work?

Is the company asking you to go to a morale event where free food is being served less offensive?

Perhaps a better way to ask what I'm trying to get at... if asking (not demanding) you to try fasting is too intrusive into your personal life, what are some examples of an appropriate amount of intrusion into your personal life for the company, by way of voluntary, optional requests?

Is the problem that there's an ask with nothing offered in return? Is it that the ask isn't work-related? Is it that it's the company's leadership asking, rather than your coworker?

I am a big proponent of voluntarism - I believe that voluntary interaction free of coercion is at least partially inherently ethical in a way that involunatry interactions featuring coercion aren't. I tend to give a lot of good faith leeway to voluntary interactions (requests) that I do not give to coercion (demands), so your perspective is very intriguing to me and I want to understand it better.

Re: Intel appoints Lip-Bu Tan as its CEO

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Post by MangoCoffee »

Question: Why is Intel rehiring people they previously let go?

Pat Gelsinger – ex-Intel, rehired as CEO, ousted.

Lip-Bu Tan – ex board member, ousted due to disagreements on how to turn the company around.

If Intel removed him over disagreements on turnaround, what will be different this time?

Re: Intel appoints Lip-Bu Tan as its CEO

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Post by nickpsecurity »

tacticalturtle wrote: post #73
nickpsecurity wrote: post #46

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Anyone that's successfully been running hardware companies would be where I'd start. Offer the best of them much more money than they're currently making. Actually, hire a dream team of them. Turning Intel around would be worth paying a high price.

Lip-Bu Tan would fit that criteria. Cadence is a successful hardware company - they have an IP catalog available for licensing and sell design services.

Maybe. It's a good start. The part where I'm unsure is that Cadence is one of the Big Three vendors. They have so much I.P., EDA tooling, patents, etc. that money will keep rolling in with incremental innovation.

Most hardware startups have to come up with new ideas, engineer good implementations of them, market them, and react to all kinds of competition. I'm talking companies like Habana or Cavium more than Cadence.

When I say hardware CEO, I meant one that ran a company like that where we know they'll be innovative and capable. Intel will need that since they're going to have to change so dramatically with so many product innovations. Whereas, running Cadence doesn't require (from what I know of them) that sort of innovation and it might have even hurt their entrenched position.

That said, I'm still positive about the new CEO. I hope his mindset and experience helps him do a lot of good. The letter he put out was great.

Re: Intel appoints Lip-Bu Tan as its CEO

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Post by huxley »

rowanG077 wrote: post #108
arunabha wrote: post #95

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> we're seeing the death bellows of many large, entrenched bureaucracies right now with DOGE That's one interpretation, sure. I hope you'll concede that another equally valid one is that we're hearing the deliberate shattering of the only institution in the country capable of standing up to the oligarchs. So far the verifiable cuts made by DOGE are less than a tenth of a percent of the federal budget. However, a lot…

Isn't a tenth huge? DOGE is brand new so I'm honestly surprised they have done so much. Anyway at this point it's impossible to predict what will happen. There is no doubt a ton of inefficiency at these bureaucracies. You are making the point that cutting the budget will mean they will become less effective. But that doesn't follow if the departments are totally inefficient. Look at twitter. Musk fired like 80% of th…

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Re: Intel appoints Lip-Bu Tan as its CEO

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Post by freejazz »

rowanG077 wrote: post #118
cinntaile wrote: post #113

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No, my argument is you can't compare the two.

Just because one is something people rely upon and the other isn't is not really a reason they are incomparable. Just because the end goal is different doesn't suddenly mean nothing applies.

I find it really weird when people just willy nilly repeat principles without any regard to their meaning or application.

Re: Intel appoints Lip-Bu Tan as its CEO

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Post by freejazz »

signatoremo wrote: post #81
gessha wrote: post #70

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"Politics aside for a moment" and then following up with politics is at the very least a logically inconsistent statement. Logical inconsistencies aside for a moment, the comment would've carried a little more weight if cited any sources for their claims.

we're seeing the death bellows of many large, entrenched bureaucracies right now with DOGE What is political about that statement? You may disagree with him, I certainly don’t think all of what happened with DOGE is justified, but that was a neutral statement.

It's political because it assumes anything happened besides what actually did, which was arbitrary number of people were fired from the agencies that Musk was most easily able to do so at, with no regard for what their roles were or their relation to the actual functions of the agencies.

Re: Intel appoints Lip-Bu Tan as its CEO

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Post by UncleOxidant »

brewdad wrote: post #98
UncleOxidant wrote: post #44

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Gelsinger. Should've kept Pat and gotten rid of (at least some of) the board.

His problem was that he had a vision, possibly the correct one, with absolutely no clue how to execute it. That is unforgivable in a CEO.

Sure he knew how to get there: build SOTA fabs that can compete with TSMC. The problem was that it was going to cost $100B and take 10 years. The board wasn't patient enough and wanted a quick fix. There is no quick fix.

Re: Intel appoints Lip-Bu Tan as its CEO

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Post by sifar »

rowanG077 wrote: post #107
zvr wrote: post #101

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Bureaucracies are about processes . I do not live in the US, and I don't follow all that's happening too closely, but from what I hear it seems that most of DOGE actions are about eliminating people and cutting budgets, which may be a valid way to save money. This has nothing to do with bureaucracy. If, to complete a process, you needed approval by three people and you still need the same approvals, the bureaucracy i…

Bureaucracies are about process. Process require people, a ton of people if you have a ton of processes. If you can slim the processes, a.k.a reduce bureaucracy, then a ton of people can be let go. Also if you let go a ton of people, processes are forced to become more efficient. This becomes problematic only once your processes are reasonably optimized. The later is what I view is essentially the vision of DOGE, the…

>> If you can slim the processes, a.k.a reduce bureaucracy, then a ton of people can be let go. Also if you let go a ton of people, processes are forced to become more efficient.

Or broken. The latter has a higher a probability.

This is pretty naive, one dimensional thinking. Making things efficient requires deep systems understanding and lack of which is on display here (Chesterton's fence). And one can achieve it reasonably for physical/technical things, however dismantling social processes that have evolved over the years for variety of reasons indicates neither the capability nor the desire to improve them.

Re: Intel appoints Lip-Bu Tan as its CEO

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Post by freejazz »

ethbr1 wrote: post #66
bee_rider wrote: post #64

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The comment (despite protests to the contrary) injected politics unnecessarily and a bit randomly (there’s no particular reason to believe Intel and the US government are very similar).

> (there’s no particular reason to believe Intel and the US government are very similar) Large monopolies with limited market pressure to innovate?

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