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Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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Post by walterbell »

NoPicklez wrote: post #113
walterbell wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> not designed to work that way Owners of unmodified M1+ iPad Pros and iPadOS 16.3 can run performant Linux/other VMs, e.g. Linux web server and iOS client. Owners of unmodified M1+ iPad Pros with iPadOS 16.4+ can very-slowly run Linux/other VMs via UTM emulation. Owners of jailbroken M1+ iPad Pros can run Linux/other VMs by adding hypervisor entitlement.

So then why doesn't the writer do that?

It's mostly limited to those who own older iPads and operating systems, rather than 2025 buyers of new devices?

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Post by kcplate »

futuraperdita wrote: post #85
kcplate wrote: post #58

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I am an avid iPad Pro user (on #3) but it took me making a concerted effort to unlearn over three decades of my understanding of what a computer is to me, my old standby app favorites, and to be willing to force myself to use the new instead of leaning on the comfortable old. Prior to that I’ll admit that it was an entertainment device. Now it can basically serve all of my computing needs. What caused me to make the…

I bought the iPad Pro 11 (M4) on its release day and did the same thing you did: throwing out what I knew to adjust to new paradigms. I regret its purchase. It is still fundamentally a device that cannot handle code-based workflows, although it's OK for some media creation. For software development, the canonical advice consists of excuses that rely on a "Pro" device to be a thin client. Remoting out to a workstation…

Yeah I am probably the perfect customer for it. It ticks all the boxes I need and I don’t mind the subscriptions.

I also don’t get hung up on the whole “What ‘pro’ should mean” debate. I bought a new 11 pro M4 mainly for the screen and its usability in bright daylight, but I also don’t mind having excessive horsepower either. Rather have too much than not enough.

Re: Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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Post by walterbell »

mullingitover wrote: post #104

"My decade-old and very well-travelled Toyota Land Cruiser finally died, and I hoped my new-ish ebike could replace it." How that article sounds. I don't care how fancy they make them, iPads are just unserious computing devices for real work.

> iPads are just unserious computing devices for real work.

  Video conferencing work: iPad + Center Stage unmatched for portability, audio quality, integrated cellular modem.

  Writing work: iPad with hardware keyboard and single app mode for distraction-free writing, ergonomic screen mount.

  SSH work: iPad has unmatched HiDPI 4:3 screen real estate 

  Video editing work: Lumafusion usability with M4 rendering speed, $30 one-time fee unlike subscription alternatives.

  3D planning or design: vertical industry apps for iPad Pro Lidar sensor that is absent from competing tablets.
Source: decade on iPads as primary device. Secondary device: Lenovo /w Linux sidecar VMs accessed from iPad.

After Apple enables hypervisor API for Linux VMs on iPad, Lenovo sidecar budget can be redirected to iPad storage.

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Post by aleph_minus_one »

jjtheblunt wrote: post #108
mullingitover wrote: post #104

"My decade-old and very well-travelled Toyota Land Cruiser finally died, and I hoped my new-ish ebike could replace it." How that article sounds. I don't care how fancy they make them, iPads are just unserious computing devices for real work.

If you're an artist who draws, I think they're serious computing devices.

> If you're an artist who draws, I think they're serious computing devices.

An artist who draws might consider iPads to be serious drawing devices.

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Post by scarface_74 »

amelius wrote: post #89
ForHackernews wrote: post #80

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>they're not designed to work that way. It would be more accurate to say that they are designed not to work that way. In modern times, every limited-purpose internet-connected gadget is actually a general-purpose computer that has been deliberately crippled. The reason you can't run arbitrary software on "your" iPad is because they have locked it down so Apple owns the hardware, not you.

Yes, the iPad is a vending machine, owned and run by Apple, but paid for by you, the customer.

I have the option of paying for every subscription service I use on my iPad without paying Apple a dime - ChatGPT, Google drive, Office 365, every streaming service, Kindle books etc

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Post by Suppafly »

frosting1337 wrote: post #92
kelnos wrote: post #75

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The author's thoughts don't make sense, though. He's expecting a locked-down tablet appliance to suit the same needs and use cases as a laptop running a general-purpose OS. Or at best, he's not expecting that, but is at least complaining about it, which feels a little pointless. He can get what he wants by buying a new Mac, as he suggests. It's not like what he wants doesn't exist. He's just complaining that some oth…

"Even though it's not designed to" It is designed to, though. That's the thing. The line is arbitrarily drawn at not getting CLI/root access to your iPad. His point is that over the years, Apple has blurred that line a lot. You can use keyboards and mice. You can do all your daily computing on an iPad - email, spreadsheets, YouTube, whatever. But it's still locked down, for whatever reason, despite being a perfectly…

> and people on HN clearly haven't used one in a while

That applies to a lot of the tech that's talked about here.

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Post by aleph_minus_one »

NoPicklez wrote: post #116
ForHackernews wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>they're not designed to work that way. It would be more accurate to say that they are designed not to work that way. In modern times, every limited-purpose internet-connected gadget is actually a general-purpose computer that has been deliberately crippled. The reason you can't run arbitrary software on "your" iPad is because they have locked it down so Apple owns the hardware, not you.

I think we need to look at this in terms of what was the stock product originally designed to do, as opposed to with unlimited skills and expertise what COULD I do with this general purpose computer that most others wouldn't be doing. A Macbook is a laptop, an iPad is a touch screen tablet. It doesn't matter how much I COULD rip it apart and reshape it, they were originally intended to be used differently. Buying one…

> Complaining I can't convert the hatchback into a capable van is beside the original point.

This is Hacker News. A hacker is someone who tries to find a way to make toast using a coffee maker.

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Post by scarface_74 »

ForHackernews wrote: post #82
jmull wrote: post #37

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How would ignoring the ipad not have solved OP's problem? They could have just replaced their old macbook with a new macbook. Not that there's anything wrong with trying something new, IMO. But if you do so without doing any research, and it turns out to not be what you expected, there's nothing to complain about. Hopefully OP just returned the ipad and got a macbook upon realizing their mistake. You seem to be sugge…

All of the limitations of the iPad are coming for your macbook, too. Already, it's difficult (not yet impossible) to install software outside the confines of Apple's app store. Already it's difficult (not yet impossible) to develop software for a mac without paying Apple for the privilege of "signing" your code.

Haven’t people been saying that since the Mac App Store was introduced in 2011?

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Post by aleph_minus_one »

jauntywundrkind wrote: post #42
nottorp wrote: post #41

Yes? The iPad is a "content consumption" device. With the exception of a few graphics workflows, you're better off with a laptop/desktop.

Add a Bluetooth keyboard, & then the two being separate products becomes a farce. I love the new MacBook Air's looks, but I can't help but constantly imagine how much better it would be as a detachable, or as a 2-in-1 convertible. The thing is, the laptop is just a bad format period. Ideally you don't want to be looking just above where you type: good ergonomics requires distance between those two. An elevated tablet…

> Add a Bluetooth keyboard, & then the two being separate products becomes a farce.

Relevant:

Surface Tension

https://hijinksensue.com/comic/surface-tension/

Re: Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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Post by NoPicklez »

aleph_minus_one wrote: post #127
NoPicklez wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think we need to look at this in terms of what was the stock product originally designed to do, as opposed to with unlimited skills and expertise what COULD I do with this general purpose computer that most others wouldn't be doing. A Macbook is a laptop, an iPad is a touch screen tablet. It doesn't matter how much I COULD rip it apart and reshape it, they were originally intended to be used differently. Buying one…

> Complaining I can't convert the hatchback into a capable van is beside the original point. This is Hacker News. A hacker is someone who tries to find a way to make toast using a coffee maker.

Right, but we're not discussing an article written by someone on Hackernews but The Register
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