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Re: Wall Street stocks tumble as investors fret over US economic slowdown

#121

This administration is either intentionally performing market manipulation or is simply incompetent. Either way, we all lose. Hope the general populous is happy with their choice, lol.

If you look at all the revisions to the employment numbers over the past few years, one could arrive at the conclusion that a downturn was inevitable.

Re: Wall Street stocks tumble as investors fret over US economic slowdown

#122
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Stocks won’t fall as far as the economy, so when people start selling off everything not nailed down just for tomorrow’s food, the wealthy can swoop in and buy it all up for pennies on the dollar. It’s the whole game plan, after all. Land, especially: generally speaking no-one is really making any more land all that fast, and when it comes down to your family starving or selling off your land for food, the land goes…

Yeah, land… you know US CRE is on the precipice of disaster, Chinese RE had some huge disasters. And the best opportunity for RE came and went in 2009. Meanwhile the top S&P500 stocks were not the top in 2009, even Apple had already released the iPhone back then. I understand you are making a colorful comment. But “real estate tycoon” isn’t the antagonist for many people.

Re: Wall Street stocks tumble as investors fret over US economic slowdown

#123

Remember, this is the president that won largely because of people's dissatisfaction with inflation, and his promises to "fix" the economy. Instead, he's decided to wage a pointless trade war that nobody asked for, and came out yesterday essentially saying he's totally okay with a recession coming out of it. The only thing more absurd is the fact that some people didn't see this coming. He signalled everything that h…

Not to derail here, but yeah, TSLA needed to get out of meme stock territory for a long time now. Its been hurting the underlying business.

Now, the big question is if the meme is gone, or just turned sour. Either way, I'm not seeing people going back to TSLA with Elon's antics.

Re: Wall Street stocks tumble as investors fret over US economic slowdown

#124

This administration is either intentionally performing market manipulation or is simply incompetent. Either way, we all lose. Hope the general populous is happy with their choice, lol.

I don't know why there is this general vibe amongst technologists that they are somehow far superior in their thought process compared to the general populace. I have heard the words peasant class come up quite often in the tech circles. Why is this ? Aren't you part of the general populace ? At the risk of getting downvoted let me posit a different narrative. What if the past governments were just propping up growth…

> I don't know why there is this general vibe amongst technologists that they are somehow far superior in their thought process compared to the general populace. I have heard the words peasant class come up quite often in the tech circles. Why is this ? Aren't you part of the general populace ?

I think the HN crowd (and technologists) are generally better informed on the economy and the nuances on economic growth, inflation, stock market etc. and that's probably the point OP is making. Dont get me wrong, a lot of technologists did vote for Trump.

Re: Wall Street stocks tumble as investors fret over US economic slowdown

#125

This administration is either intentionally performing market manipulation or is simply incompetent. Either way, we all lose. Hope the general populous is happy with their choice, lol.

I don't know why there is this general vibe amongst technologists that they are somehow far superior in their thought process compared to the general populace. I have heard the words peasant class come up quite often in the tech circles. Why is this ? Aren't you part of the general populace ? At the risk of getting downvoted let me posit a different narrative. What if the past governments were just propping up growth…

> I don't know why there is this general vibe amongst technologists that they are somehow far superior in their thought process compared to the general populace.

It’s a recent shift. Historically, “technologists” were skeptical of the supposed knowledge of “experts.” When Linus built Linux, the “experts”—the guys with PhDs—said the future was microkernels: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanenbaum%E2%80%93Torvalds_deb.... Linus was right. But I feel like today techies would’ve mocked him for being just a student arguing with a tenured professor on a subject in the professor’s field.

Opposition to free trade has been building for 25 years: https://www.britannica.com/event/Seattle-WTO-protests-of-199.... We used to make routers in California and sell them to China. Now we make them in China and Americans drive Uber. Economists tell us that this is efficient, but the public isn’t required to believe them. And it’s fine to try a different approach to see what happens.

Re: Wall Street stocks tumble as investors fret over US economic slowdown

#126
post #84

Remember, this is the president that won largely because of people's dissatisfaction with inflation, and his promises to "fix" the economy. Instead, he's decided to wage a pointless trade war that nobody asked for, and came out yesterday essentially saying he's totally okay with a recession coming out of it. The only thing more absurd is the fact that some people didn't see this coming. He signalled everything that h…

My guess is that his supporters are so entrenched in their position that they won't care. Trump channelled their anger at how broken the American Dream has become, and they're probably OK getting personally singed if it means the whole thing burns down. However, it will likely be a rude awakening on the other side for them, especially if they find that some of their entitlements were cut (just as they come to need th…

> they find that some of their entitlements were cut (just as they come to need them most), and meanwhile yet again the rich and powerful not only are fine but the gap continues to widen at an even faster rate

I’m honestly not seeing a way out of this for the die-hard MAGAs other than letting them age out. The problem is less that idiot 20% and more the Obama-Trump crossover voters. They’re the ones we should fight to win back.

Re: Wall Street stocks tumble as investors fret over US economic slowdown

#127

Remember, this is the president that won largely because of people's dissatisfaction with inflation, and his promises to "fix" the economy. Instead, he's decided to wage a pointless trade war that nobody asked for, and came out yesterday essentially saying he's totally okay with a recession coming out of it. The only thing more absurd is the fact that some people didn't see this coming. He signalled everything that h…

This analysis is lacking. People didn't vote for Trump because they analyzed his proposed economic policies and decided they would improve their situation. Almost nobody votes like that. There's general financial anxiety in the US, and he promised to fix it. What methods he proposed using are almost irrelevant, it's the rhetoric around them that sways voters. The narrative is now one of temporary hardship to excise t…

It's not enough to have a plan, as a sibling commenter pointed out. Looks more like straight-up irrational team-based tribalism to me. That and ordinary ignorance. How else do you explain a Republican candidate campaigning on raising taxes and winning?

Re: Wall Street stocks tumble as investors fret over US economic slowdown

#128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> last administration wasn't much better..lol. Lots of layoffs and a general down turn of the economy San Francisco tech saw layoffs. The rest of the economy saw job growth every single month [1] and real GDP growth every quarter except Q1 ‘22 [2]. To the extent there was a fly in the ointment it was a cost-of-living crisis, and Trump seems intent on driving that into overdrive with his tax increases. (Pronounced tar…

> The rest of the economy saw job growth every single month [1] and real GDP growth every quarter except Q1 ‘22 Neither of those "accomplishments" are impressive or unusual. The population is growing, so jobs and GDP tend to grow as well. Negative job or GDP growth are both extremely rare events that happened only during the covid pandemic, the 2008 financial crisis, 9/11, etc.

It is rare and impressive when most other western democracies did see negative job & GDP growth over parts of the same period.

Re: Wall Street stocks tumble as investors fret over US economic slowdown

#129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My neighbours and I have been buying up cropland on the cheap as a result of the trade war. As an ethical move, we’re only buying in Trump-voting counties from registered Republicans. But at the end of the day, there is massive pain in that sector, particularly among soybean farmers and dairy farmers close to Canada, and it’s directly attributable to Trump.

> As an ethical move, we’re only buying in Trump-voting counties from registered Republicans. That's a strange kind of ethics, refusing to buy from Democrats who want to sell. It's like you're boycotting Democrats.

> refusing to buy from Democrats who want to sell

These are distressed properties. They’re not for sale by the original owners, who probably would prefer to keep them. (Their creditors, on the other hand, want to get paid.)

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