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Re: Automatically tagging politician when they use their phone on the livestreams

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Post by LocalH »

dylan604 wrote: post #102
Lanolderen wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In other wording, if someone is speaking about a subject I'm not entirely familiar with, I'd likely be googling different details to get a more real picture than the one presented by the person proposing changes. Incentives and all that. An issue with political discourse in parliaments is that it's a meeting with a lot of important people so you can't really ask for clarifications again and again as you would in a 5…

If you're constantly looking up things on your phone about what a speaker just said, you'll miss the thing being said right now. Humans cannot multitask. Anyone that says they can are lying or are misguided at best. So instead of missing one thing, you've put yourself in a position to miss even more rather than looking up something afterwards.

> Humans cannot multitask. Anyone that says they can are lying or are misguided at best.

I don't believe this to be axiomatically true. I don't believe it's an intrinsic ability, but I believe it's very possible for humans to task-switch at a level that appears like multitasking (and when you think about it, the only multitasking modern computers do is the threading that multiple CPU cores enable, when it comes to a single core there is only one task running at a time, ever).

In certain situations, I've found my brain able to do almost fractal searches through a target space. Or at least to simultaneously search for the answer to more than one question (take the game Hangman and its variants, when looking at a partial word my brain is certainly not searching for a single letter at a time).

Re: Automatically tagging politician when they use their phone on the livestreams

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Post by skeeter2020 »

LocalH wrote: post #116
ryandrake wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like it or not, "eyes glued to phone" has become a pretty clear indicator of distraction, and I'm fine calling this out. If I'm in a meeting giving a presentation, and I notice people glued to their phones during it, I'm not going to call them out on the spot, but I'll probably do something afterwards: Either 1. tighten up my invite list next time so as to only include people who really need to be there, or 2. polite…

Some people use bits of time on their phone to ironically help them focus on the person they're talking to. If I have to listen to someone with zero of what people would call "external distractions" I'm barely going to remember any of it. But if I can poke on my phone while I'm listening, maybe look up some information relevant to the topic, then I'm much more engaged and retain far more of what's being said. There's…

> If I have to listen to someone with zero of what people would call "external distractions" I'm barely going to remember any of it. But if I can poke on my phone while I'm listening, maybe look up some information relevant to the topic, then I'm much more engaged and retain far more of what's being said.

This really makes no sense to me. It's well known that human cannot multitask beyond system 1 / system 2 in parallel, so you must be much better at micro time-sharing than pretty much everybody.

Re: Automatically tagging politician when they use their phone on the livestreams

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Post by skeeter2020 »

CitrusFruits wrote: post #113
skeeter2020 wrote: post #112

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How do you think people NOT paid by the population feel about the idea of continuous surveillance, the potential for misinterpretation and huge impact on their lives? I suspect your discomfort and that of others in positions that create these types of environments is a feature, not a bug.

A lot of politicians are against surveillance too, they just get outnumbered. I think it's an unfair assumption to assume the parent comment is for surveillance legislation, especially if they're someone who frequents HN and are therefore more likely to be technically literate.

I'm not saying this person is FOR surveillance, I'm saying a visceral example of its impact - especially on those who make decisions around it that impact everyone - is a powerful piece of art. I suspect most surveillance debates are theoretical and making politicians feel potential impacts is a very valuable experience.

Re: Automatically tagging politician when they use their phone on the livestreams

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Post by serviceberry »

ryandrake wrote: post #114
noelrock wrote: post #96

As a former politician, I really don't love this. It's already difficult enough to get people of the capacities that most of us want to see (good, smart, could be employed elsewhere, empathetic) involved in politics as it's so negative and divisive. There are, as other comments highlight, loads of legitimate and reasonable reasons why somebody would be using a phone mid-debate: rebuttal research, communicating with c…

Like it or not, "eyes glued to phone" has become a pretty clear indicator of distraction, and I'm fine calling this out. If I'm in a meeting giving a presentation, and I notice people glued to their phones during it, I'm not going to call them out on the spot, but I'll probably do something afterwards: Either 1. tighten up my invite list next time so as to only include people who really need to be there, or 2. polite…

> Like it or not, "eyes glued to phone" has become a pretty clear indicator of distraction, and I'm fine calling this out.

This is not like work meetings: 99% of meaningful policy work is happening behind closed doors. The publicly-televised sessions is where people give speeches for the cameras and then cast votes with (typically) pre-negotiated outcomes. So, I don't think it makes a whole lot of sense to be upset if someone is browsing Reddit while an opposition politician is saying their piece.

Re: Automatically tagging politician when they use their phone on the livestreams

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Post by [deleted] »

noelrock wrote: post #96

As a former politician, I really don't love this. It's already difficult enough to get people of the capacities that most of us want to see (good, smart, could be employed elsewhere, empathetic) involved in politics as it's so negative and divisive. There are, as other comments highlight, loads of legitimate and reasonable reasons why somebody would be using a phone mid-debate: rebuttal research, communicating with c…

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Re: Automatically tagging politician when they use their phone on the livestreams

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Post by skeeter2020 »

mathgeek wrote: post #14
A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 wrote: post #10

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No, if anything, all that stuff regular people are subjected to, must be now be used against people in power just to let them feel the weight of reality they have created. It is not that dissimilar to how Musk flights were tracked by a bot on Twitter not that long ago. Is it a dick move? Sure, but I am tired of there being two set of rules for those with power and those without it.

> Sure, but I am tired of there being two set of rules for those with power and those without it. Can you elaborate on how this project is going to impact that? What change do you expect will come about from it?

Go walk around any major city; we'll wait. You were just recorded and analyzed by humans and software countless times. Did you do anything that could be misinterpreted as illegal, antisocial or even just different? Are you prepared to answer for it strangers who wield the might of the state? Share it all publicly? Prove you're not guilty of anything or justify your lifestyle choices? How does that make you feel?

To me this is an example of making those on the other side experience the same thing. The good ones will find some empathy and affect positive change; even the bad ones will make the right decisions in naked self interest.

Re: Automatically tagging politician when they use their phone on the livestreams

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Post by nico »

ryandrake wrote: post #114
noelrock wrote: post #96

As a former politician, I really don't love this. It's already difficult enough to get people of the capacities that most of us want to see (good, smart, could be employed elsewhere, empathetic) involved in politics as it's so negative and divisive. There are, as other comments highlight, loads of legitimate and reasonable reasons why somebody would be using a phone mid-debate: rebuttal research, communicating with c…

Like it or not, "eyes glued to phone" has become a pretty clear indicator of distraction, and I'm fine calling this out. If I'm in a meeting giving a presentation, and I notice people glued to their phones during it, I'm not going to call them out on the spot, but I'll probably do something afterwards: Either 1. tighten up my invite list next time so as to only include people who really need to be there, or 2. polite…

> If I'm in a meeting giving a presentation, and I notice people glued to their phones during it, I'm not going to call them out on the spot, but I'll probably do something afterwards

A tip from the book The Charisma Myth: when you notice someone on their phone, just pause what you were saying, the sudden silence usually brings people back. If you also look at them when pausing, it will be very clear what’s going on without you even saying a word

This works both during presentations and conversations

Re: Automatically tagging politician when they use their phone on the livestreams

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

amelius wrote: post #62
tpoacher wrote: post #50

This is beyond silly. You could be using your phone to factcheck something that relates to the ongoing discussion. Or having a side-chat with another member, privately expressing/requesting an opinion to provide context. Or to take quick notes. Or, nowadays, you might even be using an AI to keep a running summary of what the speaker has been rambling about in the last 50 minutes, translated from 'buzzspeak' to 'human…

If only we could just cut off their access to Twitter/X ...

I’ll never tire of “good people“ complaining that they can’t censor speech enough.

Re: Automatically tagging politician when they use their phone on the livestreams

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Post by amelius »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #128
amelius wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If only we could just cut off their access to Twitter/X ...

I’ll never tire of “good people“ complaining that they can’t censor speech enough.

I'd be ok with it if the speech was anonymized in some way.

Remember that many forms of "free speech" are pretty shitty, for example ads. Also, "free speech" does not mean "free amplification of speech".

Re: Automatically tagging politician when they use their phone on the livestreams

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Post by dagw »

aucisson_masque wrote: post #119
CitrusFruits wrote: post #113

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A lot of politicians are against surveillance too, they just get outnumbered. I think it's an unfair assumption to assume the parent comment is for surveillance legislation, especially if they're someone who frequents HN and are therefore more likely to be technically literate.

> A lot of politicians are against surveillance too, they just get outnumbered Well, politicians do vote and make laws. if the majority of them are for privacy, there is absolutely no reason for them to vote against it each time they are asked to. Usually a law is passed when the majority of politicians vote for it...

if the majority of them are for privacy, there is absolutely no reason for them to vote against it

That's not how politics works. Most politicians belong to political parties, and sometimes you have to vote against your personal conviction and with your party, especially if you actually want to get stuff done long term. Compromising by voting with your party and against your convictions on one issue to ensure that you get their support on another issue you consider more important is what politics is all about.

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