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U.S. pauses all military aid to Ukraine

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Post by rsynnott »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #68
mewpmewp2 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also Europe will have to increase its nuclear arsenal since it is clear that Europe can't no longer rely on US. Europe was too trusting for too long.

They could ally with China. The Chinese are only frenemies with Russia anyways, and they make way much more money trading with the rest of Europe.

Perhaps surprisingly, Europe has more nuclear weapons than China (France: 290 warheads, UK: 225 warheads, China: 500 warheads). China never really bought into the mutually assured destruction doctrine in the same way that the US and Soviet Union did.

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Post by Gud »

csomar wrote: post #90
arunabha wrote: post #19

It would be one thing if there was a clear policy and adherence to it. In that case, you could discuss and reason in good faith. However there is no such indication that this decision is based on a considered policy. Trump's supporters would say that this is a result of not wanting the US being involved in foreign conflicts. That is a laudable goal, however that is not what is happening here. From the article > On Fr…

It is not a petty tantrum though it might look like one. You have to consider that the incumbents have won the US elections, that's not a small feat. What many people are missing is that if the US main challenger is China and beating Russia is a far thing, then it makes sense for the US to ally with Russia against China. For that, the US might need to give Russia something (some EU countries?) for this hustle and als…

This makes no sense.

Russia has the economy on parity with Italy.

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Post by Gud »

echoangle wrote: post #105
geysersam wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thing what? That has absolutely nothing to do with it

You don’t think Norwegians will hesitate to give trump the peace price if he does what he does?

They absolutely will not give it to Trump. If anyone will get it, it will be the people of Ukraine.

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Post by jesterson »

nuccy wrote: post #6

Thus two messages for every other country: 1. Make nukes, never give up on those regardless of what assurances of safety you get 2. If you are bigger and stronger - you are right, do whatever you want, international laws and rules do not matter any more Lets see where all this will bring the world to in the next 10 years or a generation.

> If you are bigger and stronger - you are right, do whatever you want, international laws and rules do not matter any more

Rules never mattered in history. it's always up to strongest to impose their version of "fairness".

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Post by eldgfipo »

csomar wrote: post #102
klipt wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it makes sense for the US to ally with Russia against China Economically and population wise Russia is tiny compared to the West (Canada, EU, etc) It makes no sense to trade our alliance with the West for alliance with much weaker and poorer Russia. I think Russia has compromising info on Trump. That's the simplest explanation.

Russia advantage is its large border with China. The US is not allying because of their (non) existent economy. But they'll be a formidable ally in case of a war against China.

Russian lost hundreds of thousand men, I'm not sure they'll be willing to ally themselves with the US to contain China anytime soon, they'll pursue what's in their best interest and play every side.

Time for Europeans to wake up and do the same.

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Post by Gud »

Wololooo wrote: post #106
0rzech wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's right. And let's not forget that Europe and USA have been helping directly for a few years now anyway. It's really disappointing how much misinformation gets reiterated on the Internet with regards to this memorandum, given how short the document is and how easy it is to verify its contents oneself. PS. NATO's Article 5 is also worth a read. It does not guarantee what is commonly claimed.

Let's not go there. In the history of the Alliance there is only a single country that invoked article 5, and it was the US with 9/11 that lead to the United Kingdom, Canada, Germany, Australia, Italy, New Zealand to send resources and troops to help with Afghanistan. And managed to get people involved in Iraq namely United Kingdom, Australia, Poland. And this situation was way worse and way less called for than the…

There was a lot more nations in Afghanistan than those listed, including many non Article 5.

When the US requested assistance, Europe provided.

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