Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting • Hacker News Board

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by jorblumesea » Fri, Feb 28, 2025, 8:17 PM UTC

whatever you think of Ukraine or Russia, inviting an elected official of a nation under war then spouting off Russian propaganda and berating him in public is shameful. I don't think we've ever seen such non-diplomatic language and grandstanding in the oval office before, in this century at least.

Zelensky was invited to get fox news soundbites of Trump and Vance beating up on him. That's it. a sad state of affairs and a scathing indictment about how uneducated the maga base is around world affairs.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by morkalork » Fri, Feb 28, 2025, 8:17 PM UTC

sleepyguy wrote: post #6

It was as if they invited him to the Whitehouse to set him up for a lecture and scolding. They had no intention of anything other than humiliating him in front of the world. It's shameful what our administration has done.

Humiliating people does appear to be a common theme with the administration, one just has to look at the photo they put out after winning with RFK and the McDonald's takeout on airforce one. Also all the women jockeying for various positions getting plastic surgery, looking like an army of botox'd stepford wives. I'm no armchair psychoanalyst so I can't tell you what it means. Just that it's very.. apparent and intentional.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by fooker » Fri, Feb 28, 2025, 8:17 PM UTC

TheAlchemist wrote: post #86

Zelensky just proved once again what real leadership looks like. He went to the White House knowing that they will try to do exactly that and yet he did it with his head held high and did not sign the deal. Amazing guy. This is also a historic day for the world. US dominance over the West is over. As a European, I will vote against any politician that keeps talking about EU-US special partnership and doesn't put 'EU…

You’re not wrong, but there’s a reason US was in this position for this long.

There’s no ‘EU first’, every European country has constantly tried to one up their rivals for the last several centuries.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by fsckboy » Fri, Feb 28, 2025, 8:19 PM UTC

duxup wrote: post #65

Shameful day for America where the President and VP two on one berate a visiting leader (guest even) who is fighting for his countries freedom against a totalitarian regime.

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Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by pjc50 » Fri, Feb 28, 2025, 8:19 PM UTC

mamonster wrote: post #4

Has there ever been a meeting that went this bad in front of journalists?

It went exactly the way the president wanted it to. Remember, this kind of bullying appeals to authoritarian parties.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by TheAlchemist » Fri, Feb 28, 2025, 8:19 PM UTC

goshx wrote: post #78

Can we take the opportunity to discuss why Trump's administration is so desperately going after rare earth minerals? Greenland, Canada, Ukraine... Is it only about chips and AI for economic reasons or is there more involved like, an army of robots or something to control everything?

I think it's the same reason Musk is promoting his Mars bullshit.

This appears as very long term thinking, while in reality is a way to siphon money in the short term and sell whatever idea they currently have under this long term plan.

Not to say that it would be bad for US to own Greenland - of course it would be great. Mars too BTW...

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by lifeisstillgood » Fri, Feb 28, 2025, 8:19 PM UTC

I got this weird dissonance - like this was a science from a TV show about the White House, because no-one, I mean no-one would ever do that inpublic. Apart from common courtesy, even basic management training says praise in public, criticise in private.

Just doing this in front of the world’s media … it’s hard to understand

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by poszlem » Fri, Feb 28, 2025, 8:20 PM UTC

I have never in my entire life seen a better example of the "we have always been at war with Eastasia" phenomenon than the recent US switch from anti- to pro-Russia stance.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by wg0 » Fri, Feb 28, 2025, 8:20 PM UTC

On a tangent - J.D Vance is lecturing Europe about freedom of speech while AFP is ousted for writing "Gulf of Mexico" as "Gulf of Mexico."

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by V__ » Fri, Feb 28, 2025, 8:20 PM UTC

goshx wrote: post #78

Can we take the opportunity to discuss why Trump's administration is so desperately going after rare earth minerals? Greenland, Canada, Ukraine... Is it only about chips and AI for economic reasons or is there more involved like, an army of robots or something to control everything?

In the last Trump administration there were enough people handling him. This time there are only yes men, so anything we see, is him unstopped/unfiltered. Trump doesn't understand complexities just "winning", he understands that minerals are valuable so he wants them, that is it. He also wants the peace price, but he doesn't understand long term strategy or planning so this situation, this sudden shift and strong arming is him wanting to accomplish this goal now. He feels Putin is stronger so the goal is easier accomplished by forcing Ukraines hand.

If one views it trough the lens of: What a high school bully, who has no self control and can't delay gradification, would do... then nothing Trump does is surprising.