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Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by GrantMoyer »

janc_ wrote: post #100
GrantMoyer wrote: post #75

Firefox's own about:license page (reachable through the about firefox dialog) says the sources are available under a wide variety of open source licenses. Does that mean only Mozilla distributed binaries are governed by the "Firefox Terms of Use"? If I download Firefox through my distro package manager, and the distro infrastructure compiled and distributed it undet the terms of the open source licenses, presumably I…

"Mozilla" & "Firefox" are trademarks which would come with their own legalese I’m sure, and of course there are some services used by Firefox (the Mozilla addons store, the malware blacklists managed by Google IIRC, etc.) that would still require legal statements even for distro or other 3rd party builds.

Sure, but neither Distribution Policy for Mozilla Software[1] nor Mozilla Trademark Guidelines[2] make any mention of the Terms of Use. Services Firefox connects to have their own Terms of Service, like you say, but those are unrealated to Terms of Use for Firefox itself.

[1]: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/foundation/trademarks/distribu...

[2]: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/foundation/trademarks/policy/

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by waltercool »

Wht does Open Source needs any terms of use?

This is into the opposite direction about what "free open-source" means.

You get that software into your computer, you are entitled to free unrestricted use or modify in any way you want.

Except by the Firefox trademark of course.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by johnea »

0x2a wrote: post #118
hellcow wrote: post #38

Since Mozilla removed all mention of not selling my data in a recent PR and seems hellbent on an ad-based future, I've deleted my Firefox account and moved to Librewolf across my devices, and I'll encourage everyone I know to do the same. It's a sad end to my literal decades of support for them.

I use a Firefox fork too, but do you think it would continue to be around without Mozilla? It's sad to see them squander an opportunity to do good work. Mozilla should have gone all-in on ethics/privacy in contrast to tech giants and made an offering like Proton. Or gone with the Wikipedia donate model like another commenter said. Any compromise on their values is insane mismanagement, that was their whole brand.

The overwhelming majority of Mozilla foundation's revenue is from Goggle corps.

For making goggle the default search engine.

So they aren't really "in contrast to tech giants" in any way.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by r0uv3n »

butz wrote: post #94

If someone already deleted Firefox Sync and wants to get rid of Sync item in main menu, you can disable it by going to "about:config" and setting "identity.fxaccounts.enabled" to false.

AFAIU Firefox Sync is end to end encrypted, right? I interpreted the language here to mean that the data might be sent to Firefox outside of Firefox Sync. Have there been any changes to Firefox Sync that we know about?

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by rascul »

This is concerning.

From the new Tos:

> We need a license to allow us to make some of the basic functionality of Firefox possible. Without it, we couldn’t use information typed into Firefox, for example.

I do not want Mozilla to use or have information I type into Firefox except when I explicitly give them such information. I disable all the settings I can to keep Mozilla from getting any such information.

From what I understand, this crap is only for the Mozilla distributed binaries. So I will now be using third party builds.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by hellcow »

0x2a wrote: post #118
hellcow wrote: post #38

Since Mozilla removed all mention of not selling my data in a recent PR and seems hellbent on an ad-based future, I've deleted my Firefox account and moved to Librewolf across my devices, and I'll encourage everyone I know to do the same. It's a sad end to my literal decades of support for them.

I use a Firefox fork too, but do you think it would continue to be around without Mozilla? It's sad to see them squander an opportunity to do good work. Mozilla should have gone all-in on ethics/privacy in contrast to tech giants and made an offering like Proton. Or gone with the Wikipedia donate model like another commenter said. Any compromise on their values is insane mismanagement, that was their whole brand.

I don’t know. I’m hoping that after their attempts at building an ad network fail, they pivot back to developing a browser by focusing on features their users actually want. Or maybe by the time Mozilla fails another alternative springs up, like Ladybird.

To your point, cloning Proton is such an obvious path forward to generate revenue while staying true to their values. Even selling a Firefox Pro with an annual fee offering some developer-specific or power-user features would be great.

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