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Re: OpenEuroLLM

#121

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What I am gonna say here is not a political point but I hope someone can point me the pattern (and some something to read about it) I have observed with for example the EU. Yes it sounds like a parody or an onion piece. We know the European search engine, cloud, blockchain never got anywhere. I don't even believe that anybody ever really tried. Now you have to put yourself in their head for 2 minutes and here is what…

As a European, the sad reality is that I see parallels with the late-stage Soviet Union and its satellite states. NOT when it comes to the level of violence and repression or quality of living. Those two things are world-class. But in the sense that there's a more or less unelected political establishment that's a) Recursive: It does things only to show them off to itself. b) Not exposed to real-world consequences. c…

Yeah you are right there is probably no need to look very far ...

Now what worry me is from I understand of the collapse of the Soviet Union (but I might be very wrong) is they kind let things happen and was less aggressive by the end.

On the contrary the EC is now consolidating power rapidly and are getting very aggressive.

Re: OpenEuroLLM

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Results don't seem that bad for 9b https://huggingface.co/blog/eurollm-team/eurollm-9b

"...EuroLLM-9B was trained on approximately 4 trillion tokens, using 400 Nvidia H100 GPUs on the MareNostrum5 supercomputer..."

Related: MareNostrum5 is part of the eurohpc some bashed in other comments.

Not related: it's in a church in Barcelona, I wanted to visit it but when I went to Barcelona it was closed for holidays so they didn't do visited tours. I also discovered the 5th most powerful supercomputer is by Italian energy company ENI, of all the companies that could have been I wouldn't have never expected an energy company to have such a powerful supercomputer (the first 3 are usa labs supercomputers, the 4th is a Microsoft supercomputer)

Re: OpenEuroLLM

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Uhhm.. they lead in pretty much everything especially tech related? You redditors are unbearable.

They also lead in destroying your own country and science and tech industries. And soon they’ll be the number one authoritarian state too! And have biggest bestest king of them all lmao.

>They also lead in destroying your own country and science and tech industries.

Except they haven't and lead in all those things mentioned?

Re: OpenEuroLLM

#124
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>This is classic EU. An announcement of an effort to collect collaborators to discuss doing something that they might do in the future. It should be done in secret? How did they manage to create CERN? maybe there was no reddit like people commenting back then?

No, but collaboration comes with a cost too. As a European myself, I would prefer them to put less emphasis on collaboration and more on actually doing something's with the resources available to them and making that freely available. Collaboration will happen naturally and without having to coordinate. But as they said, this is less about producing value then it's about signaling

Collaboration brought us peace. Peace is underrated these days.

(NB: I mean the good kind of collaboration of course, on science and industry - it's a loaded word in French at least)

Re: OpenEuroLLM

#125
Apart from the already mentioned pessimism what matters is if it is great when used with all European languages. It might help break some usual boundaries and allow better RAG between the resources in different countries. English speaking folks take it as granted that everyone uses it in business but that is not the case in Europe. And no US company is interested in solving that provblem.

Re: OpenEuroLLM

#126
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From https://openeurollm.eu/launch-press-release (3 Feb 2025): > "The models will be developed within Europe's robust regulatory framework...

Not a surprising stance if the project is funded by the people who are responsible for said regulatory framework

To make the regulation even more effective of course

Re: OpenEuroLLM

#127
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> This is truly in accordance with european values, where we reward participation and proclamation. Yes. In my experience the government is happy with "looks good doesn't work" as long as it truly looks good.

Lol yeah unlike corporationd who are happy with “makes life intentionally worse but brings in money”. Jesus the ideology in this place runs so thick with some people.

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Re: OpenEuroLLM

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It is worth noting there is _another_, completely unrelated project (also) called *EuroLLM* that is also EU funded which not only shares many of the same goals, but has already fulfilled many of them: 1. large multilingual dataset 2. open science approach 3. competitive performance Here is the HF blogpost that introduced it in December 2024 (along with various benchmarks): https://huggingface.co/blog/eurollm-team/eur…

Thanks for the heads up, I missed this project! However, on their page they write "Project Timeline: 1 May 2024 - 30 April 2025". April isn't far away, anyone knows what's supposed to happen afterwards?

Re: OpenEuroLLM

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i see this kind of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism a lot. i think that you can imitate good things about US innovation without having lots of school shootings.

I’m pointing out that overall compensation isn’t just the salary. In Europe, benefits like universal healthcare, free universities, and strong worker rights add significant value that balances lower wages.

oh, i see what you meant now. in that case, i retract my accusation of whataboutism. i still really disagree with your argument, but i mischaracterized by mistake, sorry

Re: OpenEuroLLM

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for 1.87m per project, you get in EU rather 15 - 20 people :) (salaries are low here)

At least in France, where they have PhDs which last only 3 years, a years of PhD would cost ~45K EUR in gross salary (granted the student gets around half of that after tax), then let's say ~10K travel and consumables costs, then add up the inevitable 20% overhead costs and now you're looking at around 200K for the shortest possible frugal 3 year PhD.

I agree, in Germany companies PhD funding seems to be between 200 and 300k.
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