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Post by beeflet »

CTDOCodebases wrote: post #109
danielbln wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remember the NVIDIA Linux kernel binary blob driver discussions from the early-mid 2000s. Who knew we had an open source driver all along...

In that case Linus needs to make a retraction.

NVIDIA ... THANK you!

linus turns to the camera, giving a thumbs up

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by __m »

frabcus wrote: post #102
raverbashing wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Better a downloadable blob than a non-downloadable one

No, it's not, as it means nobody is pushing for actually open models. A truly open model has open code that gathers pre-training data, open pre-training data, open RLHF data, open RLAIF data generated from its open constitution and so on. The binary blob is the last thing I'd want - as a heavy user of LLMs I'm actually more interested in the detail of what all training data is in full, than I am the binary blob.

at least for the pre-training data there are some open source torrent clients [0].

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42971446

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by silisili »

mmoustafa wrote: post #113
JTyQZSnP3cQGa8B wrote: post #52

Companies have hijacked the open source concept to mean downloadable blob and we follow them as I see in the comments. It’s a real shame.

it's closed source and open outcome

So is asking ChatGPT to write your application, then open sourcing said application IMO.

I see both sides here, but I don't think it's a hill worth dying on. The 'open source' part in this case is just not currently easily modifyable. That may not always be the case.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by beeflet »

palata wrote: post #101
JTyQZSnP3cQGa8B wrote: post #52

Companies have hijacked the open source concept to mean downloadable blob and we follow them as I see in the comments. It’s a real shame.

It's started with abusing the term "AI", I don't see a reason why they would not abuse "open source". I guess it's what happens to language when a concept becomes mainstream: people use it wrong, but if enough people do it, it becomes the new meaning? But I agree, it's a real shame.

I dislike when people like RMS get semantic and gatekeep words like "free software", but this is the end product of a world without gatekeepers. People just use words in a way that's convenient to them.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by soraminazuki »

danielbln wrote: post #71
JTyQZSnP3cQGa8B wrote: post #52

Companies have hijacked the open source concept to mean downloadable blob and we follow them as I see in the comments. It’s a real shame.

I remember the NVIDIA Linux kernel binary blob driver discussions from the early-mid 2000s. Who knew we had an open source driver all along...

Why was the free software movement a thing when Windows was open source all along, haha.
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