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Cool your jets. I called a spade a spade, I never said anything about it being natural.
> just how it is Yeah, you found a different synonym.
> “It’s better explained by stating the tech industry is dominated by certain demographics because that’s just how it is”
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People remember famous scientists like Einstein, Feynman, or even Bill Nye the Science Guy, and believe it's obvious that white men are more qualified in STEM, and anyone denying it is in denial. They ignore that before the Equal Employment Opportunity Act of 1972, discrimination was legal in the US, and that Ivy League universities only started admitting women from 1969 to 1981 (depending on the university). People…
Bill Nye isn't a scientist. Einstein moved to the US well after he became a famous scientist. The University of Zurich, where he got his degree, has been open to women since the mid 19th century. The Ivy League first started admitting women in 1870 (Cornell). The rest, however, were far later.
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How did democrat politicians go from saying we shouldn't legalize gay marriage to then saying you are a horrible homophobe if you are against it in a couple of years? The answer is the same, some people just say what they think will give them the most power and advantages. If denying gay rights gives them votes? "Of course they shouldn't have any!" Wait, no, gay rights give votes?? "Oh, yeah anyone who doesn't give t…
In 2004 John Kerry lost the election due to two things. One of them was his support for gay marriage being legal. Stupid commericals like this one were made: https://youtu.be/4AzLrn5JVIo?si=bYtAbriIbp0AVrxP Obama was adamant that he did not support legislation to legalize gay marriage. When SCOTUS legalized it he was caught off guard but he and other Democrats were able to then fully embrace the issue. The nation’s v…
Is say the swift boat thing and the flip flop accusations are what hurt him
Also many Republicans are still very anti gay marriage
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DEI did feel a lot like paying off debt by getting a new credit card. Equal competition doesn’t mean equal footing though. We will eventually need something to replace it and I hope that doesn’t go worse.
Does it? My "I just want the best for everyone" side likes to think being consciously and explicitly open to all candidates, having a women's day on stereotypical men's jobs, quotas, etc., makes things better because you get more perspectives in your org. Your business/government is more likely to cater to the whole population if it's lead by a reflection of the whole population and all that. But I don't actually kno…
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is affirmative action preferential? idk what to tell you, the way it plays out in practice is preferential on the basis of race. maybe that’s okay, but that is absolutely what it means
White men in the U.S. have a hard time coming to grips with living in a society where women have sexual autonomy and where they are subjected to genuine competition for jobs. Every POC hire over a white man must be becuase of DEI!
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is affirmative action preferential? idk what to tell you, the way it plays out in practice is preferential on the basis of race. maybe that’s okay, but that is absolutely what it means
I think the point is that a big bunch of studies really point to the fact that if you have two persons with a real merit score of 8/10 (for example), the one from a minority will be considered, due to unconscious biases, as having a score of 7/10 instead. So, yes, there is a correction and this correction is based on race because this is the correct variable to de-bias the evaluation. But does it mean "preferential"?…
Let me give you a scenario. It's the 1940's, a company has a policy that privileges white applicants. Someone says, "let's remove this policy, and tell the company they have to treat all applicants easily." Someone else replies, "no, because if this company was told they had to treat everyone equally and not privilege white people they would discriminate against white people. I have many studies proving this!"
Does that pass the smell test? A company that's intentionally trying to privilege group X is suddenly going to discriminate against group X if they're told they have to treat everyone equally?
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They are also now illegal by executive order which is the main reason companies are getting rid of them. I agree with you they were biased but companies don't care about that
In what way are they illegal? The EOs only apply to federal agencies and their immediate subcontractors. Wouldn’t interpreting the EO as setting limits on the private sector be government overreach?
https://www.cbsnews.com/baltimore/news/maryland-ag-dei-presi...
It seems like this part is the relevant part:
> [The executive order] also instructs the U.S. attorney general to create a plan that would deter the private sector from continuing DEI programs.
So while it is not technically illegal yet, seems like they are getting ahead of that issue before it may arise based on pretty strong signaling that it will
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In 2004 John Kerry lost the election due to two things. One of them was his support for gay marriage being legal. Stupid commericals like this one were made: https://youtu.be/4AzLrn5JVIo?si=bYtAbriIbp0AVrxP Obama was adamant that he did not support legislation to legalize gay marriage. When SCOTUS legalized it he was caught off guard but he and other Democrats were able to then fully embrace the issue. The nation’s v…
John Kerry was for civil unions and against gay marriage in 2004. Not saying that position or what people claimed or thought his opinion was didn't effect it but he didn't come out pro gay marriage until much later. Is say the swift boat thing and the flip flop accusations are what hurt him Also many Republicans are still very anti gay marriage
Gay marriage is a virtual nonissue with Republican voters. They didn’t run on repealing it this past election cycle. They may care about it but not enough to run on the issue. DEI is the new fear mongering b.s. for the idiots.
I usually evaluate people based on how they behave by their own stated values and codes. It's been a good rule. What's been amazing to me is how skin-deep the stated values across the tech industry were. Virtually every executive is behaving in ways they would fire their employees for just a few months ago. The executives have no moral compass as human beings. I believed this to be the case before, since the people I…
The whole "Don't be evil" brouhaha several years ago didn't clue people in? It was marketing fluff from the beginning but it should have been obvious even to the most oblivious that it was marketing fluff by the time it was removed.
For Many people on Hacker News, DEI has become synonymous with unqualification, implying that if a non‑white person works at a company, they're only there because of these programs, and are taking opportunities away from more qualified white men. In their view, these employees don't truly deserve their positions.