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Re: DOGE staffer is trying to reroute FEMA funds

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #107
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #52

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We're watching the checks and balances fail in real time. By the time the first court order comes through the DOGE boys are already doing something else somewhere else. The legal system can't create injunctions as fast as Trump can sign things. It's proving impossible for a legitimate system to keep up with the wanton pillaging.

Also courts can't act until someone sues for "harm" which they themselves suffered. That takes a long time, and by then, the damage is very difficult, or maybe impossible, to undo.

Yup. Hopefully they have good backups, but once money has been shuffled around is it possible to put it back? And not just in the abstract - this is FEMA we're talking about - lives are going to be lost.

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Post by diggan »

martin_a wrote: post #24
lenerdenator wrote: post #12

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We'll look back on it as we do all of the other times people got away with things they shouldn't have gotten away with while holding the power of the state. I'll also add that there are absolutely people in Europe who aspire to see this kind of thing happen there, and that in some cases, it already has. See: Orban, Brexit, Le Pen, AfD, etc... and that of course doesn't touch on what happens in less-Western European c…

> there are absolutely people in Europe who aspire to see this kind of thing happen there Yeah, that's exactly what I fear. Seeing this is a working example or a role model on how to do it here, too. And yes, you pointed out the most obvious of the bad guys.

In reality, it's the opposite. What we're seeing day-by-day in the US today matches almost exactly how the rise of Fascism was done in Europe, and how they grabbed as much power as they could, both before the second-world war, and in more modern times.

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Post by throw_pm23 »

diggan wrote: post #109
throw_pm23 wrote: post #63

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The stability of Europe is an illusion. Politically and economically Europe is becoming a lightweight who will not be able to do anything without the US permission.

> The stability of Europe is an illusion I'm not sure how familiar you are with the history of the continent, but this is probably the most stable and peaceful time-period of the continent since humans started populating it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Europe is a great introduction to the subject.

Yes, and the second most stable and peaceful moment was 1913 when people were celebrating a half-century of continuous growth and prosperity. I think I'll pass your introduction, thanks.

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Post by diggan »

sagolikasoppor wrote: post #68
croes wrote: post #35

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Compared to the US the EU falls much slower

That is probably because you live in the states that you think that. The EU is so regulated its hard to do anything nowadays.

> The EU is so regulated its hard to do anything nowadays.

What are you referring to here, specifically? Something that is a net-positive for society, and that would be legal in the US but is illegal in Europe or EU?

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Post by ceejayoz »

Vaslo wrote: post #102
ceejayoz wrote: post #69

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Withholding funds? What are you on about? https://www.fema.gov/press-release/20250207/north-carolina-1... https://www.fema.gov/press-release/20250122/helene-survivors...

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> Release Date: February 7, 2025

Even Trump's FEMA doesn't support your (unsourced!) assertions.

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Post by insane_dreamer »

echoechoecho76 wrote: post #44

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which corruption is being routed out?

I'm sure there's some corruption somewhere, but so far we haven't seen any concrete examples of it -- just elimination of anything related to DEI (which has to do with ideology, not "corruption" which would be embezzlement of funds). Also, there are mechanisms for properly investigating and bringing to justice government officials who do embezzle funds (corruption).

As far as anything being "routed out", so far that's been agencies that have nothing to do with corruption: USAID, Dept of Education, all the DOJ lawyers who had anything to do with investigations into Trump, Jan 6, etc.

A lot of political reprisals under the cover of "corruption".

I suggest you study what happened in China from 2012 - 2018 and you can see where this is headed.

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Post by diggan »

throw_pm23 wrote: post #123
diggan wrote: post #109

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> The stability of Europe is an illusion I'm not sure how familiar you are with the history of the continent, but this is probably the most stable and peaceful time-period of the continent since humans started populating it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Europe is a great introduction to the subject.

Yes, and the second most stable and peaceful moment was 1913 when people were celebrating a half-century of continuous growth and prosperity. I think I'll pass your introduction, thanks.

As I said, Americans and Europeans clearly care about different things :) Your sole focus on "growth" and "prosperity" makes this crystal clear and will make a good example of this in future discussions.

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Post by [deleted] »

pb7 wrote: post #103
lukev wrote: post #88

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They do not. The majority of the country either did not vote, or voted against Trump. Most of those who did vote for Trump did so on the basis of immigration, economic or the culture war -- not so he could dismantle the federal government and (e.g.) halt funding for cancer research. Trump explicitly disavowed Project 2025 when it was clear it was hurting his electoral prospects (even though that plan is precisely wha…

Trump won the popular vote which means the majority of the country voted for Trump or did not vote.

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Re: DOGE staffer is trying to reroute FEMA funds

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Post by [deleted] »

pb7 wrote: post #103
lukev wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They do not. The majority of the country either did not vote, or voted against Trump. Most of those who did vote for Trump did so on the basis of immigration, economic or the culture war -- not so he could dismantle the federal government and (e.g.) halt funding for cancer research. Trump explicitly disavowed Project 2025 when it was clear it was hurting his electoral prospects (even though that plan is precisely wha…

Trump won the popular vote which means the majority of the country voted for Trump or did not vote.

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