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JetBrains Fleet drops support for Kotlin Multiplatform

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Re: JetBrains Fleet drops support for Kotlin Multiplatform

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Post by k4rli »

sfn42 wrote: post #119
smittywerben wrote: post #60

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IntelliJ IDEA is their real product. Once you've added a debugger, test runner, and decompiler then you're ready to program Java.

Pretty sure IntelliJ comes with all those things? That's why I use JB products. I download them, start them up and that's it. I don't need any separate plugins, they just work perfectly out of the box.

Also probably part of the reason why they're so bloated. IDEA with just a single mid-sized project can and will take 10GB+ memory (simple java+gradle for spring or android). Out of the box it has ~100 plugins installed, most of which are useless for most people.

It does work well but it's often too much and uses even more memory than vscodium.

Re: JetBrains Fleet drops support for Kotlin Multiplatform

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Post by timrichard »

realityfactchex wrote: post #20
codingwagie wrote: post #17

Personal opinion is that JetBrains products have gone down hill the last few years. Tons of memory leaks and performance issues. They are also way behind on the AI front, borderline obsolete in some areas. This is coming from someone who has used jetbrains daily for over a decade

What would you suggested instead of JetBrains tools for AI-assisted development? (I don't just want to hear what everyone says; I specifically I want to hear what JetBrains lovers think about this.) I was about to go all in on JetBrains becaue I can't stand VSCode, and about to transition from ChatGPT only to trying out in-IDE integrations... but if there's a better thing to try first... all ears.

I've been using Jetbrains IDEs for quite some time. I currently use IntelliJ and Cursor together. Cursor is everything I hoped Jetbains AI would be. The TypeScript support in VSCode and derivatives (like Cursor) is great, unlike Jetbrains. As I already have a license, I switch to IntelliJ for the fantastic Git and DB plugins, as well as the great refactoring and find/replace features. Local History and diffing in Jetbrains is also far superior, so sometimes I use history labels as snapshots in between significant changes from Cursor.

If you're transitioning from ChatGPT pastes to an IDE integration, I would recommend a trial of Cursor. They have acquired SuperMaven, and the autocomplete feature is mostly appropriate and useful. I think the chat-diff-review-apply workflow really tightens and accelerates the feedback loop, as well as the ability to submit an error from the terminal to the chat session with a single click. People say good things about the Compose and Agent features, but I haven't so far been drawn to them to explore.

Re: JetBrains Fleet drops support for Kotlin Multiplatform

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Post by indexedcosmoks »

nsonha wrote: post #120
homebrewer wrote: post #40

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You forgot to add "IMHO". IDEA has fantastic UI, it's fully configurable and 100% usable through pre-assigned hotkeys. For example, fuzzy search is available everywhere , in every tool window, in the database window, in search results, etc. The same key combination (ctrl+alt+arrow up/down on my instance) can be used to jump between search results, symbol usages, TODOs, linter results, and so on. They thought through…

VSCode can do all of that, and for most languages, VSCode's/OSS LSPs are often more performant/feature rich than whatever running inside IDea that takes tens of minutes to index a project in my computer. Who should I take seriously now? The "power users" who claim that vim with lsp and terminal is the way, or the "power users" who claim that bloated UIs is the way? As far as I am concerned, "power users" only really…

>VSCode's/OSS LSPs are often more performant/feature rich than whatever running inside IDea that takes tens of minutes to index a project in my computer.

Typically if this happens I notice IDEA is indexing the entire dependency tree for something like node or python. It'll have an understanding of everything but is much slower to index and typically not needed. If you exclude node_modules you'll have very fast time once again

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Post by gkedzierski »

FrozenSynapse wrote: post #106
ternaryoperator wrote: post #82

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CoPilot has been working fairly well for me in GoLand. I don't know if Copilot has the same or more support in Goland than in Webstorm/Pycharm, so, if the latter, my observation might well be disjoint from yours. But so far, it's a moderately capable assistant. My biggest complaints with it have more to do with its responses than its fit with the IDE.

Copilot in VS Code has model options, the new agent is available in VSC Insiders that will implement full features and show it's changes in a diff viewer. Jetbrain IDEs don't have the option to change models

And their default model is pretty bad in JS/TS world. (but great in C#) Copilot works great for every language but the plugin integration into JetBrains IDEs is not as deep.

Re: JetBrains Fleet drops support for Kotlin Multiplatform

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Post by emptyfile »

brandonmenc wrote: post #54
solardev wrote: post #28

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I think Fleet's their hopeful answer to VSCode. IntelliJ is powerful, but so, so messy, with a convoluted UI from the 90s/2000s. Even the simplified one is much klunklier than VSCode, especially for everyday/every-hour tasks like NPM scripts, debugging, etc. Every essential function is hidden in tiny competing side panels triggered by some obscure icon in a different part of the screen. I love and use Jetbrains IDEs…

> with a convoluted UI from the 90s/2000s Some of us love this UI.

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Re: JetBrains Fleet drops support for Kotlin Multiplatform

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Post by anonzzzies »

b_e_n_t_o_n wrote: post #76
solardev wrote: post #28

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I think Fleet's their hopeful answer to VSCode. IntelliJ is powerful, but so, so messy, with a convoluted UI from the 90s/2000s. Even the simplified one is much klunklier than VSCode, especially for everyday/every-hour tasks like NPM scripts, debugging, etc. Every essential function is hidden in tiny competing side panels triggered by some obscure icon in a different part of the screen. I love and use Jetbrains IDEs…

My only problem with jetbrains UI is that it's slow. Night and day difference using even vscode, let alone vim, sublime, helix, zed, etc. I tolerate it because the functionality it brings, but I find myself actually writing code in something faster. And I don't see fleet improving on this in a meaningful way - it's basically a competitor to vscode, which I don't use for the same reasons I won't use fleet. There is a…

Yep, same here. I just uninstall because it's unusable compared to vscode/vim/emacs/zed for the same jobs. And I have a new-ish macbook pro. I always hear people say they have a different experience, but, like with so many things in life, that always seems not true when I sit next to them; then it is just them being used to sluggish misery as the normal.

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Post by indexedcosmoks »

winrid wrote: post #89
nmfisher wrote: post #81

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Exactly this. Every time I revisit a Jetbrains product, I uninstall it within 5 minutes. It doesn't matter how great the features are, it's just sluggish. People can rag on Electron apps all they like, but VSCode on modern hardware is very snappy. Jetbrains is a noticeable downgrade.

Weird. None of my PCs have cpus made after 2018. After the initial indexing, things are fast. I guess that's what you're running into on startup.

There are still things like opening a menu somewhere that has a random worst case latency of ~2 seconds for me. It feels random and is frustrating, but not quite enough where I'd consider learning to use something else

Re: JetBrains Fleet drops support for Kotlin Multiplatform

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Post by conradfr »

MortyWaves wrote: post #100
solardev wrote: post #28

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I think Fleet's their hopeful answer to VSCode. IntelliJ is powerful, but so, so messy, with a convoluted UI from the 90s/2000s. Even the simplified one is much klunklier than VSCode, especially for everyday/every-hour tasks like NPM scripts, debugging, etc. Every essential function is hidden in tiny competing side panels triggered by some obscure icon in a different part of the screen. I love and use Jetbrains IDEs…

I’ve been trying DataGrip for SQL stuff after Azure Data Studio (a closed source fork of VS Code) was recently deprecated. It has all the same UI problems I remember of their other IDEs like WebStorm. Clunky and weird looking, and that’s coming from someone that appreciates generally Windows 9x style controls and palette, JetBrains just can’t get it right. As a side note one of the advertised features of DataGrip is…

I mean adding AI without changing the IDE price would not make to much sense, financially.

I would have love it though ;)

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