How in the hell is this not on the front page?
Once again, any bad news for OpenAI is censored from reaching the front page of HN.
Musk-led group makes $97B bid for control of OpenAI
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#122Isn’t musk becoming a single point of failure risk?
Do you really think Musk actually does anything of value?
No and I am eagerly awaiting the day I don’t have to hear his stupid name or see his uncanny valley face ever again. Something irks me that the world’s richest man which many people look up to and actively try to emulate is a petulant asshole.
I understand why he’s relevant to this website, I just can’t wait until we don’t have to hear from him anymore.
People with that wealth can do so much good and choose to do so much bad it makes me so sad and angry. Best I can do is care for my friends and family and my community.
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#124With first mover advantage disappearing for OpenAI and very good alternatives appearing, one wonders how long they can sustain a multi billion dollar per year loss[0]. The launch of ChatGPT was earth shaking, but what have they done since that impacts or excites the average consumer? Does their revenue even come from the average consumer, or primarily from API users that will lift and shift to a viable competitor? I…
ChatGPT is an extremely successful consumer product. Looking at Search traffic alone indicates they clearly have large brand value. Usage doesn't just depend on just benchmarks for most consumers.
> indicates they clearly have large brand value
BlackBerry, Nokia, Yahoo, and MySpace were popular at one point but couldn't keep up.
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#125With first mover advantage disappearing for OpenAI and very good alternatives appearing, one wonders how long they can sustain a multi billion dollar per year loss[0]. The launch of ChatGPT was earth shaking, but what have they done since that impacts or excites the average consumer? Does their revenue even come from the average consumer, or primarily from API users that will lift and shift to a viable competitor? I…
ChatGPT is an extremely successful consumer product. Looking at Search traffic alone indicates they clearly have large brand value. Usage doesn't just depend on just benchmarks for most consumers.
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#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
OpenAI is the 6th most popular website in the world and if someone's going to kill Google, it's them. If they IPO'd today, they'd easily be worth hundreds of billions if not more.
Who in their right mind would put money into OpenAI with DeepSeek out there dumping its better models for free with no license restrictions? Anyone with enough hardware can run the model and run a competing service for less. Many companies currently using OpenAI are considering alternative cheaper and better options. The OpenAI moat has been filled in.
Absolutely, we can even make a parallel with UNIX:
UNIX was revolutionary. Companies poured billions into proprietary UNIX versions: IBM's AIX, Sun's Solaris, HP-UX, SGI IRIX...
Then in 1991, Linus Torvalds released Linux for free.
What was the point of UNIX anymore then ?
Unless OpenAI locks in customers with exclusive data, it risks becoming just another proprietary relic beaten by open alternatives.
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#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
According to this analysis from a few months back: https://www.wheresyoured.at/oai-business/ OpenAI are kind of fundamentally unsustainable as a business.
Before I read this 32-minute long article, who is Edward Zitron and why should I care about his opinion or analysis?
From scrolling though his articles he is a guy who likes to write polemic articles declaring companies dead
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#128Sam’s reply on twitter[0] no thank you but we will buy twitter for $9.74 billion if you want [0] https://x.com/sama/status/1889059531625464090 ?
Elon's response: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1889062013109703009 > Swindler In another tweet chain: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1889063777792069911 > Scam Altman
wow I had no idea the level of discourse on that x website was so low, has it always been like this?
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#129I think this is a negotiation tactic that aims to eventually block OpenAI's transition to for-profit.
I wholeheartedly agree