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To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by randunel »

gambiting wrote: post #111
tobyhinloopen wrote: post #20

I had similar experiences with a modern Volvo. (XC40 T8 EV). Modern cars seem to be absolutely terrible. It's like all those Single Page Applications on the web that are just downgrades over the classic Server-Side Rendered apps. Sure, you have more features, but at what cost? Reliability. I think the last generations of cars before the touch buttons and screens were the last "okay" generation. Somewhere in 2010s, al…

>>(XC40 T8 EV). Such model doesn't exist. Do you mean XC60? And if so then it's not an EV, it's a PHEV. Anyway, Volvo made a collosal mistake of going with the Android Automotive operating system. It looks good but it's genuienly a pile of steaming crap. When Volvo had Sensus(their own OS) yeah it wasn't pretty but it was stable and it worked day in day out. I have a 2020 XC60 T8 with sensus and I literally have had…

XC40 was renamed to EX40 in 2024 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volvo_XC40.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by skissane »

torginus wrote: post #31

The safest bet in EVs is to buy one from the Korean manufacturers - they have the tech figured out (and have had it for a few years), they make everything from 'car but electric' to 'Jetsons spaceship', they're reasonably priced, they have cheap and abundant parts, have mechanics who know how to work on them, and they don't have an 'X' factor CEO.

> The safest bet in EVs is to buy one from the Korean manufacturers - they have the tech figured out (and have had it for a few years)

Not an EV, but I have a 2022 Kia Sorento with a fair number of weird software bugs-e.g. the sound from the navigation system randomly stops working and I have to restart the car to make it work again; the car tries to read speed limit signs using machine vision but its capabilities are too basic so it reads them incorrectly (in particular, conditional speed limits which only apply under a certain condition, such as at certain times of day, for heavy vehicles only, it will treat as absolutes)

Is their EV software better? Outside of cars, my experience with South Korean software hasn’t impressed me

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by gambiting »

Zanfa wrote: post #60

Putting aside the ethics of buying a Tesla in 2024, who buys a car brand legendary for unreliability and ridiculously long service times in a country that doesn't even have a dealership? Some people like to live dangerously.

Yeah honestly that's a completely insane part. I'm from a country that also didn't have an official Tesla presence until very recently and only extremely rich people bought Teslas, basically with the assumption that anything goes wrong you put it on a trailer and take it back to Germany where there is official Tesla support network, you have 5 other cars to drive to it's not a big deal.

For someone who is "not a car guy" and for whom this is their only car....that's insane.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by rich_sasha »

lnsru wrote: post #76

I stoped reading when the writer admitted, that he bought a Tesla in a country without official dealership. Common sense tells me not to do this. That’s the situation when EU consumer laws start failing. That’s very brave, but not clever move at all!!! Having service center 300 miles away is too far. It’s not lot of statistics, but I know cases where guys needed replacement parts before new other brand car reached 50…

I agree that was imprudent, but the rest of the story is shocking nonetheless.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by tobyhinloopen »

InDubioProRubio wrote: post #80
tobyhinloopen wrote: post #20

I had similar experiences with a modern Volvo. (XC40 T8 EV). Modern cars seem to be absolutely terrible. It's like all those Single Page Applications on the web that are just downgrades over the classic Server-Side Rendered apps. Sure, you have more features, but at what cost? Reliability. I think the last generations of cars before the touch buttons and screens were the last "okay" generation. Somewhere in 2010s, al…

All software is like its makers full of attention-whoring. Its a nasty side-effect of the "identify with your work" ethics. Thus i propose a new job, the ux-castrator. His only job, is to traverse the software and excise out tumorous attention hogging growths and limitations based upon thee. Back to the chasm from which you came daemon, for the user needs not see you, know you, be aware of you and your works. You are…

UX Castrator - i love it :) I'll try to give myself that role

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by sangnoir »

conradfr wrote: post #64
lleims wrote: post #42

There's two updates to the original post: - All my communications with the Budapest Service Center: https://www.myteslaexperience.com/2025-02-04/all-my-communic... - How to spit in a customer's face: https://www.myteslaexperience.com/2025-02-07/how-to-spit-in-...

It's funny to me to buy a domain name just for that.

$12 is a small price to pay compared to the opportunity cost of having a bricked car in one's garage for months on end, multiplied by however many individuals they may have saved from the same pain.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by viraptor »

rcMgD2BwE72F wrote: post #78
bootsmann wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No need for counter tariffs, non-US customers seem to be unwilling to buy them at this point https://www.ft.com/content/ea2329e4-b4bc-4e2d-be34-e9a8ea311... .

This point being… the short, particular period between when people awaits for the Model Y refresh and when people can buy that new model. That didn't last long (check China's number https://x.com/piloly/status/1884095767780155666/photo/1 ). They are many political things to say, but misreading numbers doesn't do any good in the long run ("never underestimate your enemy").

What's "china insurance data"? New sales only? Including resale? Renewals?

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by tobyhinloopen »

gambiting wrote: post #111
tobyhinloopen wrote: post #20

I had similar experiences with a modern Volvo. (XC40 T8 EV). Modern cars seem to be absolutely terrible. It's like all those Single Page Applications on the web that are just downgrades over the classic Server-Side Rendered apps. Sure, you have more features, but at what cost? Reliability. I think the last generations of cars before the touch buttons and screens were the last "okay" generation. Somewhere in 2010s, al…

>>(XC40 T8 EV). Such model doesn't exist. Do you mean XC60? And if so then it's not an EV, it's a PHEV. Anyway, Volvo made a collosal mistake of going with the Android Automotive operating system. It looks good but it's genuienly a pile of steaming crap. When Volvo had Sensus(their own OS) yeah it wasn't pretty but it was stable and it worked day in day out. I have a 2020 XC60 T8 with sensus and I literally have had…

The XC40 T8 EV does exist. I know, because I owned one. It was a 2022 model I think, got it late 2021. The renamed it a few times after that. I basically had one of the first XC40 EVs on the local market. I ordered it before they were in the showrooms.

EDIT: I looked up the invoice; they called it a "XC40 Recharge Level III P8 BEV AWD AT". I think it had a P8 TE badge ("Twin Engine"). So it wasn't T8. I got it Sep 2021. It was also the first model with the Android system.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by rzzzt »

InDubioProRubio wrote: post #80
tobyhinloopen wrote: post #20

I had similar experiences with a modern Volvo. (XC40 T8 EV). Modern cars seem to be absolutely terrible. It's like all those Single Page Applications on the web that are just downgrades over the classic Server-Side Rendered apps. Sure, you have more features, but at what cost? Reliability. I think the last generations of cars before the touch buttons and screens were the last "okay" generation. Somewhere in 2010s, al…

All software is like its makers full of attention-whoring. Its a nasty side-effect of the "identify with your work" ethics. Thus i propose a new job, the ux-castrator. His only job, is to traverse the software and excise out tumorous attention hogging growths and limitations based upon thee. Back to the chasm from which you came daemon, for the user needs not see you, know you, be aware of you and your works. You are…

The "Use feature ABC? Yes/Not now" dialog that shows up day by day until users click "Yes" increased usage of ABC by a significant amount!
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