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Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by kiba » Sat, Feb 01, 2025, 3:10 PM UTC

brainlet wrote: post #41

diggan wrote: post #23

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> but half the country welcomed this wave of oppression with open arms. And the other half? They seem to welcome this as well, but with crossed arms. Where are the protests? Seems most people end up writing upset messages on Twitter/Bluesky, but also seems there are no grassroots movements to actually protest the borderline coup that is happening?

I've been monitoring online discussions with some interest and the complete lack of self reflection in left-leaning US population is interesting. People who were writing very nasty things about Russians too scared to destroy their lives by protesting against a brutal dictatorship not that long ago now sit on their asses and do nothing, because "what can we do?". Maybe at least some of them now understand what it's li…

I voted in the November election. I called my representatives. My plan invited me to a protest over immigrants getting deported.That isn't nothing, but I have very little power on a federal level. The next step is getting involved in local politics and the community, but I am simultaneously moving and live far away.

I can talk to people about it, but the difficult part is not talking but getting people to truly listen.

So yes, ordinary people are limited in their power and capacity even if these adds up.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by fn-mote » Sat, Feb 01, 2025, 3:10 PM UTC

tlogan wrote: post #104

Nobody complained about downtimes (at least for Atlas Plus) when they started changing “sex” to “sex or gender” / “gender.” Let’s be honest. I can’t find a single article about this because it was considered normal—they were simply upgrading their system. The level of dishonesty here is astounding. Let’s wait three weeks. If Atlas Plus is still down, I’ll post an update here.

Please be specific about what you think is dishonest.

It sounds like you are conflating a planned information removal with some unspecified amount of upgrade time? Those aren’t equivalent to me.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by dylan604 » Sat, Feb 01, 2025, 3:10 PM UTC

Let's assume that in 4 years, existing limitations are still in place and a new POTUS is in place. It would be interesting if these edits are soft deletes where they are easily reversed with the next administration, or will they need to go to the backups to restore data.

This ping ponging from one admin to the next on doesn't actually change the science. "The great thing about science is that it doesn't need you to believe it for it to be true." To me, the thinking that the hiding of data is going to make it go away is just one of those things that shows how unintelligent the person with that notion truly is.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by FractalHQ » Sat, Feb 01, 2025, 3:11 PM UTC

nine_zeros wrote: post #28

America voted for cons, crooks and thugs. And is getting conned, crooked and thugged. Entirely predictable. And well deserved. I say this as someone living and suffering in America. There is no one else to blame but ourselves. The future is bleak.

“The people” are too stupid to blame unfortunately, they have no idea what’s going on.

Average IQ Americans freebase propaganda and Joe Rogan for thoughts. The Kremlin and the Republican propaganda empire have been paving the way for a Project 2025 Neo Nazi hostile takeover for decades.

John Doe from Florida doesn’t stand much of a chance when every TV, cell phone, and Facebook bot in his state is beaming the world’s largest psy-ops laser-beam at his head for half of his life.

I tend to blame the Fascists. But yea, the future is bleak. We’re cooked in America, at least.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by CalRobert » Sat, Feb 01, 2025, 3:11 PM UTC

RIMR wrote: post #113

nehal3m wrote: post #74

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You’re being downvoted but looking from the outside in, Gitmo being scaled up to house 30k people that the administration expects never to be able to repatriate, an unelected billionaire running around destroying institutions and a president actively starting trade wars and threatening occupation with allies looks an awful lot like it.

People aren't downvoting because they disagree about what's happening. They are downvoting because they agree with fascism, but don't like it when people say the truth out loud. It's a fundamental reality of fascism that those who support it will also deflect all valid criticism of their movement. A majority of U.S. voters chose this. After all that was already known about this admin, they aren't backing down, he's d…

Nitpick - fewer than fifty percent of votes went to trump

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by Spooky23 » Sat, Feb 01, 2025, 3:11 PM UTC

nimbius wrote: post #35

hypeatei wrote: post #21

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I would just like to point out that Musk is the richest man in the world and is now directing critical areas of the U.S. government. Surely he doesn't have ulterior motives and is looking out for the average person?

If you look back at Germany in the 19th century, nations like Prussia and Austria had this sort of power struggle between the merchant class and the nobility at the advent of steam power. in this case the de-facto US nobility (rank-and-file career politicians) are being usurped by the bourgeouise (billionaires like Musk) at the advent of AI and tech by promising the working class a combination of culture war policy a…

> the question will be, after four years, will they abdicate their power or concentrate it?

Why would they? Once they come for the judges and replace them with “real Americans”, there’s no bottom.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by phillipcarter » Sat, Feb 01, 2025, 3:12 PM UTC

This is a blitzkrieg campaign designed to try and get Musk and his people as much control of the digital government as possible before the roadblocks (legal, systematic, etc.) make things too difficult for him. As it stands, his goal is likely a purge of the federal government akin to what he did with Twitter. And the resulting 80% drop in revenue by Twitter is a similar kind of outcome we can expect from his careless meddling.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by timst4 » Sat, Feb 01, 2025, 3:14 PM UTC

This is the war on Science. Next comes the war on Education. The obliteration of democracy comes next. If you imagine Trump gives up this level of power without bloodshed in the streets you are deluding yourself.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Feb 01, 2025, 3:15 PM UTC

s1artibartfast wrote: post #119

mort96 wrote: post #99

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I see these kinds of comments regularly and am curious: what is your thought process? What makes you think that it's not illegal? What makes you think that legality matters here?

what makes me think it is illegal. I dont think there is a congressional law that X data must be hosted at a given URL.

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Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by SmirkingRevenge » Sat, Feb 01, 2025, 3:15 PM UTC

nimbius wrote: post #35

hypeatei wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would just like to point out that Musk is the richest man in the world and is now directing critical areas of the U.S. government. Surely he doesn't have ulterior motives and is looking out for the average person?

If you look back at Germany in the 19th century, nations like Prussia and Austria had this sort of power struggle between the merchant class and the nobility at the advent of steam power. in this case the de-facto US nobility (rank-and-file career politicians) are being usurped by the bourgeouise (billionaires like Musk) at the advent of AI and tech by promising the working class a combination of culture war policy a…

Yea, these guys don't seem like the kind to do any abdicating, voluntarily.

A lot can happen in 4 years though. Maybe self-inflicted catastrophic wounds will drive down support for Trump enough where it becomes possible for R pols and oligarchs to abandon him. Or maybe they'll choose the dark path, and go farther into repressive authoritarianism to stay in power.

The problem for Musk et al is that they are concentrating power directly to Trump, not themselves. They're shackling themselves to the leopard and betting it will never eat their face.