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Exposed DeepSeek database leaking sensitive information, including chat history
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#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
DeepSeek isn’t a side project or just a bunch of quants - these are part of the marketing that people keep repeating blindly for some reason. To build DeepSeek probably requires at least a $1B+ budget. Between their alleged 50,000 H100 GPUs, expensive (and talented) staff, and the sheer cost of iterating across numerous training runs - it all adds up to far, far more than their highly dubious claim of $5.5M. Anyone s…
> Anyone spending that amount of money isn’t just doing a side project. You're reciting a bunch of absolute numbers, without any sort of context at all. $5M isn't the same for every company. For example, in 2020, it seems High Flyer spent a casual $27M on a supercomputer. They later replaced that with a $138M new computer. $5.5M sounds like something that could be like a side-project for a company like that, whose bl…
> that could be like a side-project for a company like that, whose blood and sweat is literally money.
From the mouth of Liang Wenfeng, co-founder of both High Flyer and DeepSeek, 18 months ago:
"Our large-model project is unrelated to our quant and financial activities. We’ve established an independent company called DeepSeek, to focus on this."
https://www.chinatalk.media/p/deepseek-from-hedge-fund-to-fr...
Re: Exposed DeepSeek database leaking sensitive information, including chat history
#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
It’s harder to learn for sure. Majority of the resources are in English and it’s harder to internalise the keywords. But it’s definitely possible to program without knowing English.
But like, you can’t program Java without English right? A for-loop has to be written in English?? I’m so confused haha
You don't need to know that the keywords are actually english words. So to start the first program on a floppy on a C64 you would type
load "*",8,1
and back then I didn't understand what load means any more than I understood what ,8,1 means, I just knew that if I press this sequence of letters it will start summer olympics.
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#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
> the implication is at deep seek is somehow special and is getting undue attention from hackers ... It is special. There was over a trillion dollars wiped from tech stocks lol, in a massive win for consumers and the planet. You can't say this is like Flappy Bird or something.
The stock market does all sorts of silly things. If the stocks recover in 2 weeks to where they were, will that be deep seek erasing $1T and tech re-earning $1T? Or deep seek doing nothing?
The damage was done, if it was 100% based on truth or how fast they recover has nothing to do with it.
Re: Exposed DeepSeek database leaking sensitive information, including chat history
#125This is totally expected when you use AI to build your infrastructure.
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#126This kinda does support the 'DeepSeek is the side project of a bunch of quants' angle. Seems like the kind of mistake you would make if you are not used to deploying external client facing applications.
DeepSeek isn’t a side project or just a bunch of quants - these are part of the marketing that people keep repeating blindly for some reason. To build DeepSeek probably requires at least a $1B+ budget. Between their alleged 50,000 H100 GPUs, expensive (and talented) staff, and the sheer cost of iterating across numerous training runs - it all adds up to far, far more than their highly dubious claim of $5.5M. Anyone s…
>To build DeepSeek probably requires at least a $1B+ budget.
Zero evidence that the above statement is true, and weak evidence (authors' claims) that it is false. Have you read their papers even?
https://arxiv.org/html/2412.19437v1#abstract https://arxiv.org/pdf/2501.12948
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#127This is probably an incredibly stupid, off-topic question, but why are their database schemas and logs in English? Like, when a DeepSeek dev uses these systems as intended, would they also be seeing the columns, keys, etc. in English? Is there usually a translation step involved? Or do devs around the world just have to bite the bullet and learn enough English to be able to use the majority of tools? I'm realizing no…
It might seem less credible to encounter English in a place where it’s less expected, but think of it this way: would a Yandex-developed ClickHouse database be adopted by Chinese devs if everything in it were written in Russian?
There is some merit in asking your question, for there’s an unspoken rule (and a source of endless frustration) that business-/domain-related terms should remain in the language of their origin. Otherwise, (real-life story) "Leitungsauskunft" could end up being translated as "line information" or even "channel interface" ("pipeline inquiry" should be correct, it's a type of document you can procure from the [German] government).
Ironically, I’m currently working in an environment where we decided to translate such terms, and it hasn’t helped with understanding of the business logic at all. Furthermore, it adds an element of surprise and a topic for debate whenever somebody comes up with a "more accurate translation".
So if anything, English is a sign of a battle-hardened developer, until they try to convert proper names.
Re: Exposed DeepSeek database leaking sensitive information, including chat history
#128This is probably an incredibly stupid, off-topic question, but why are their database schemas and logs in English? Like, when a DeepSeek dev uses these systems as intended, would they also be seeing the columns, keys, etc. in English? Is there usually a translation step involved? Or do devs around the world just have to bite the bullet and learn enough English to be able to use the majority of tools? I'm realizing no…
> Or do devs around the world just have to bite the bullet and learn enough English to be able to use the majority of tools? That is precisely what happens. It is not unusual for code and databases to be written in English, even when the developers are from a non-English speaking country. Think about it: the toolchain, programming language and libraries are all based on English anyway.
Interestingly, in the world of electronics this used to be true too. The first Diode on a circuit board would be marked "D1", no matter which country produced it. Datasheets for components would be in english. Any text on a circuit board would be in english (ie. "Voltage Select Switch" or "Copyright 2025".).
However, a few years back it became common for most datasheets to be available in mandarin and english, and this year most PCB fabrication houses have gained support for putting chinese characters onto a circuit board (requires better quality printing, due to more definition needed for legibility).
Now there are a decent number of devices where the only documentation is only available in mandarin, and the design process was clearly done with little or no english involved.
Not everything changes though - gold plating thickness is measured by the micro-inch. Components often still use 0.1 inch pin spacing. Model numbers of chinese chips often are closely linked to the western chip they replace, the names of registers (in the cpu register sense) are often still english etc.
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#129Poorly secured or not it still managed to hit your favourite stock. The execs at NVIDIA still haven’t recovered from the bloodbath.
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#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hundreds of thousands. My employer alone probably has 1000.
No. I don’t think so. I think if you took many engineers and sat them at a computer and asked them to stand up a whole dev staging prod system they wouldn’t be able to do it. I certainly would not, or it would take me a significant amount of time to do properly. I have been a full stack dev for 10 years. Now take that one step further to someone whose only interaction with a development is numpy, pandas, julia, etc……
Depending on your perspective, that's either very concerning or a great business opportunity for this decade's Heroku to enter the fray.