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Post by leoedin »

jdietrich wrote: post #46
jsheard wrote: post #10

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I can only speak for myself, but a Metaverse consisting of infinite procedural slop sounds about as appealing as reading infinite LLM generated books, that is, not at all. "Cost to zero" implies drinking directly from the AI firehose with no human in the loop (those cost money) and entertainment produced in that manner is still dire, even in the relatively mature field of pure text generation.

I can only speak for myself, but a large and growing proportion of the text I read every day is LLM output. If Claude and Deepseek produce slop, then it's a far higher calibre of slop than most human writers could aspire to.

What kind of text are you reading? Do you work in LLM development? Or are you just noticing that many news sites are using LLMs more and more?

I've noticed obvious LLM output on low quality news sites, but I don't tend to read them anyway. Maybe all the comments I read are from LLMs and I just don't realise?

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Post by leoedin »

torginus wrote: post #92
delian66 wrote: post #70

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What is your definition of slop?

I was thinking about this, and the definition I came up with for slop is 'aspirational and highly detailed content that resolves its details in an uninteresting or nonsensical way'. For example, an AI picture of a bush is not slop, because we don't expect much from a picture of a bush (not aspirational). A hand-drawn picture of a knight in armor by an enthusiastic, but not very skilled artist is not slop either - it…

'aspirational and highly detailed content that resolves its details in an uninteresting or nonsensical way'.

This is a great definition. All the AI text I read is somehow missing the "meat" you find in good writing. All the right parts are there, but the core idea that makes me interested is just missing.

It's pretty much the same thing Linkedin has been full of for years. No one can bear to say anything controversial, so it's all just empty platitudes and junk.

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Post by nuancebydefault »

bschwindHN wrote: post #55
deadbabe wrote: post #53

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Everything will be AI slop to you. There will never be a point where AI creates something incredible and you are like wow I prefer this AI stuff over human made slop.

Yes, because if someone has a tool that creates "something incredible", then everyone will be able to generate "something incredible" and then it all becomes not incredible. It's like having god-mode in a game, it all becomes boring very quickly when you can have whatever you want.

If you follow that reasoning, anything that improves or anything that makes creation easier, produces slop.

Personally I'm not in favor of calling AI output slop, just because it is AI generated. You might then as well say that any electronic music is slop and any food prepared with help of machinery is crap. It might be crap or not, the automatedness is irrelevant.

The outputs of AI that I see today in the form of text, images or video don't look like slop to me.

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Post by torginus »

noch wrote: post #43
jsheard wrote: post #10

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I can only speak for myself, but a Metaverse consisting of infinite procedural slop sounds about as appealing as reading infinite LLM generated books, that is, not at all. "Cost to zero" implies drinking directly from the AI firehose with no human in the loop (those cost money) and entertainment produced in that manner is still dire, even in the relatively mature field of pure text generation.

> a Metaverse consisting of infinite procedural slop sounds about as appealing as reading infinite LLM generated books Take a look at the ImgnAI gallery ( https://app.imgnai.com/ ) and tell me: can you paint better and more imaginatively than that? Do you know anyone in your immediate vicinity who can? Read this satirical speech by Claude, in French https://x.com/pmarca/status/1881869448275177764 ) and in English ( h…

Wow, AI can write an argument that's bad on purpose! That totally proves the AI is a master writer.

Now show me the AI write something that's actually good on purpose.

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Post by oefrha »

BigJono wrote: post #50
godelski wrote: post #47

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Ops ran out of edit time when I was posting my last two Prompt: A hawk flying in the sky PNG: https://0x0.st/8Hkw.png https://0x0.st/8Hkx.png https://0x0.st/8Hk3.png Note: This looks like it would need more work. I tried a few birds and generic too. They all seem to have similar form. Prompt: A hawk with the head of a dragon flying in the sky and holding a snake PNG: https://0x0.st/8HkE.png https://0x0.st/8Hk6.png ht…

Yeah, this is absolutely light years off being useful in production. People just see fancy demos and start crapping on about the future, but just look at stable diffusion. It's been around for how long, and what serious professional game developers are using it as a core part of their workflow? Maybe some concept artists? But consistent style is such an important thing for any half decent game and these generative to…

> been around for how long, and what serious professional game developers are using it as a core part of their workflow?

Are you in the game industry? If you’re not how would you even know they have not? As someone with some connections in the industry and may soon get more involved personally, I know at least one mobile gaming studio with quite a bit of funding and momentum that has started using a good deal of AI-generated assets that would have been handcrafted in the past.

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Post by noch »

torginus wrote: post #124
noch wrote: post #43

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> a Metaverse consisting of infinite procedural slop sounds about as appealing as reading infinite LLM generated books Take a look at the ImgnAI gallery ( https://app.imgnai.com/ ) and tell me: can you paint better and more imaginatively than that? Do you know anyone in your immediate vicinity who can? Read this satirical speech by Claude, in French https://x.com/pmarca/status/1881869448275177764 ) and in English ( h…

Wow, AI can write an argument that's bad on purpose! That totally proves the AI is a master writer. Now show me the AI write something that's actually good on purpose.

> Now show me the AI write something that's actually good on purpose

The average human can't even write a 3000 word short story that is good "on purpose" even if they tried.

I know because I've participated in many writing workshops.

The real question is: can you?

> AI can write an argument that's bad on purpose

Are you able to recognise good writing? How do I know? For all I know you're the most incompetent reader and writer on the planet. But your skills are irrelevant.

What's relevant is that deep learning is more skilled than the average person. If you're not aware of this you're either a luddite or confused about the state of the art.

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Post by littlestymaar »

bufferoverflow wrote: post #49
jsheard wrote: post #10

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I can only speak for myself, but a Metaverse consisting of infinite procedural slop sounds about as appealing as reading infinite LLM generated books, that is, not at all. "Cost to zero" implies drinking directly from the AI firehose with no human in the loop (those cost money) and entertainment produced in that manner is still dire, even in the relatively mature field of pure text generation.

Minecraft is procedurally generated slop, yet it's insanely popular.

Procgen has nothing to do with AI in terms of slop, for a good reason: procedural generation algorithms are heavily tuned by authors, exactly to avoid the “dull, unoriginal and repetitive” aspect that AI produces.

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Post by andybak »

meindnoch wrote: post #113
jocaal wrote: post #40

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Recently, a lot of development in this area has been in gaussian splatting and from what I have seen, the new methods are super effective. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaussian_splatting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dPBaV6M9u4

The parent explicitly asked for a mesh .

You can never be sure what someone's real intent is. They might mean "something meshlike". Personally I usually reply by asking for more info (I always have the XY Problem in my mind) but that is time consuming and some people assume you're being pendantic (I am however correct more often than not - people have posed the wrong question or haven't given critical parts of the context)

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Post by torginus »

noch wrote: post #126
torginus wrote: post #124

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Wow, AI can write an argument that's bad on purpose! That totally proves the AI is a master writer. Now show me the AI write something that's actually good on purpose.

> Now show me the AI write something that's actually good on purpose The average human can't even write a 3000 word short story that is good "on purpose" even if they tried. I know because I've participated in many writing workshops. The real question is: can you? > AI can write an argument that's bad on purpose Are you able to recognise good writing? How do I know? For all I know you're the most incompetent reader a…

The 'strawmanning your opponent' technique is a non-argument, and is effortless to pull off. Surrounding your argument with tons of purple prose (which Claude is good at) does not change that.

Writing a good argument requires 3 things: be logical, be compelling and likeable, and have a solid reputation. It does not require purple prose.

As for good writing, I'm pretty sure Brandon Sanderson's Mistborn trilogy qualifies, which was written with a rather small vocabulary and pedestrian prose, yet is universally praised.

Tbf, I do think Claude Sonnet and SD are impressive, and I think they can aid humans in producing compelling content, but they are not on the level of amateur fiction writers.

Besides, surpassing most humans in an area where most humans are unskilled is not a feat, not even AI companies flex on that.

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Post by longtimelistnr »

noch wrote: post #94
nice_byte wrote: post #60

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> can you paint better and more imaginatively than that? the fact that you are seriously asking this question says a lot about your taste.

> the fact that you are seriously asking this question says a lot about your taste. Non sequitur. My sense taste or lack of it, is irrelevant. Questions about "taste" don't matter when the average person doesn't have the craft to produce what they claim they are competent to judge especially when we're talking about such low hanging fruit as: "write a short story", "write an essay", "analyse this math problem", "draw…

Frankly i think you cannot get past your own delusion about AI and no argument will change your mind. No one can make you appreciate art properly and I can only hope one day you will.
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