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Re: TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users

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Post by gpm »

gregw134 wrote: post #93
Buttons840 wrote: post #45

The TikTok debate has always been about the balance between national security and free speech. We found a compromise. TikTok will remain, all of its national security risks will remain. Also, the law that tramples free speech is upheld by the court, but will be blantently ignored and unenforced. Everybody loses. This outcome is worse than anyone could have conceived.

"The law banning TikTok, which was scheduled to go into effect Sunday, allows the president to grant a 90-day extension before the ban is enforced, provided certain criteria are met" Sounds like they're operating within the law

The law never required that they shut down, so in a tautological sense they are.

However, with regards to the absurd justification. The president (still Biden) hasn't granted any extensions, nor is the president even able to grant an extension without

> certif[ing] to Congress that-

> "(A) a path to executing a qualified divestiture has been identified with respect to such application;

> "(B) evidence of significant progress toward executing such qualified divestiture has been produced with respect to such application; and

> "(C) there are in place the relevant binding legal agreements to enable execution of such qualified divestiture during the period of such extension.

There is no evidence that Trump will be able to lawfully do any of those, and he has to do all, after he becomes president again.

Re: TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users

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Post by scotty79 »

creato wrote: post #80
robswc wrote: post #10

The straight up "shout out" in the pop-up, I almost couldn't believe my eyes. I don't think I've seen anything like it in a long time. I also don't think an American company would ever do that as it seems "unprofessional." Ironically, it probably got them huge bonus points so they know what they're doing.

> I don't think I've seen anything like it in a long time. I also don't think an American company would ever do that as it seems "unprofessional." Have you been paying attention the last few weeks? NVIDIA: https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/ai-policy/ "As the first Trump Administration demonstrated, America wins through innovation, competition and by sharing our technologies with the world — not by retreating behind a wal…

This all reminds German companies about a 100 years ago, so much.

Re: TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users

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Post by dr_kiszonka »

whoevercares wrote: post #67
Buttons840 wrote: post #45

The TikTok debate has always been about the balance between national security and free speech. We found a compromise. TikTok will remain, all of its national security risks will remain. Also, the law that tramples free speech is upheld by the court, but will be blantently ignored and unenforced. Everybody loses. This outcome is worse than anyone could have conceived.

Everybody loses? The fact that TikTok remains available to millions of users is a significant benefit, especially for those who rely on it for creative expression, community building, and small-business promotion.

That's true. Unfortunately, it is also highly addictive, esp. for kids and teens.

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Post by pjc50 »

Buttons840 wrote: post #45

The TikTok debate has always been about the balance between national security and free speech. We found a compromise. TikTok will remain, all of its national security risks will remain. Also, the law that tramples free speech is upheld by the court, but will be blantently ignored and unenforced. Everybody loses. This outcome is worse than anyone could have conceived.

> This outcome is worse than anyone could have conceived.

This is the maximally stupid outcome, so I suppose we should have seen it coming. I guess the conclusion is going to involve Trump taking an ownership stake in TikTok, possibly by swapping it for $TRUMP cryptocurrency or Truth Social shares something.

Re: TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users

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Post by firesteelrain »

plutoh28 wrote: post #98

Trump's proposed executive order just gives TikTok more time "so that a deal could be made." Honestly I don't understand how TikTok is able to restore service now before the executive order or even the inaugaration has occured.

It’s back so couldn’t have been that hard.

Re: TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users

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Post by creato »

ninetyninenine wrote: post #113
Buttons840 wrote: post #45

The TikTok debate has always been about the balance between national security and free speech. We found a compromise. TikTok will remain, all of its national security risks will remain. Also, the law that tramples free speech is upheld by the court, but will be blantently ignored and unenforced. Everybody loses. This outcome is worse than anyone could have conceived.

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If you think money is what is on the table here you lack imagination. It's the "Trump knob" in TikTok's ranking algorithm that is the real thing of value here.

No actual deal is necessary here. It's obvious to everyone involved what the deal is: TikTok ensures that its content is friendly to Trump, TikTok stays unbanned.

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Post by iTokio »

whoevercares wrote: post #67
Buttons840 wrote: post #45

The TikTok debate has always been about the balance between national security and free speech. We found a compromise. TikTok will remain, all of its national security risks will remain. Also, the law that tramples free speech is upheld by the court, but will be blantently ignored and unenforced. Everybody loses. This outcome is worse than anyone could have conceived.

Everybody loses? The fact that TikTok remains available to millions of users is a significant benefit, especially for those who rely on it for creative expression, community building, and small-business promotion.

Here, have my upvote.

I might not share your views but it is important to defend this side of the debate to get the full picture.

It’s easy to reduce TikTok to its negatives and forget that ton of people do get value from it. Obviously for content makers but even for watchers, entertainment and sense of community do have values.

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Post by Capricorn2481 »

34679 wrote: post #60
ipsum2 wrote: post #5

There was no executive order. Turning off Tiktok yesterday was a highly successful political stunt.

"Biden just signed a potential TikTok ban into law. Here’s what happens next" https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/23/tech/congress-tiktok-ban-what... "Biden Signs a Bill That Could Ban TikTok. Now Comes the Hard Part." https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/23/technology/bytedance-tikt... "Biden signed a bill to force a sale of TikTok or ban it. What’s next?" https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/24/biden-signs-tiktok-... "Biden si…

So not an executive order, but signing a bill that passed with a veto proof majority, and then saying he won't enforce it.

And to prove how much of a stunt this was from TikTok, they turned their services back on less than 24 hours later even though nothing had changed.

Re: TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users

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Post by pests »

whimsicalism wrote: post #77
robswc wrote: post #10

The straight up "shout out" in the pop-up, I almost couldn't believe my eyes. I don't think I've seen anything like it in a long time. I also don't think an American company would ever do that as it seems "unprofessional." Ironically, it probably got them huge bonus points so they know what they're doing.

not only has tiktok done this before, uber & lyft & doordash did it in california in the lead up to elections

I have no issue with American companies trying to change American policies.

Re: TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users

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Post by School-Cotton »

sekai wrote: post #57

The people pretending that the TikTok law is a speech issue are ignoring that no one was requiring TikTok to change their content at all. The law was written to allow for 0 impact on users if the CCP-connected parent company simply divested. Their preference to shut down instead of receiving tens of billions of dollars would be a clear violation of a company’s fiduciary duty to shareholders for any normal company. Bu…

In practice, US social networks usually promote content that is aligned with US cultural values and geopolitical interests. Whether this is because the government is actively leaning on them or just because being run by Americans colors them with those values, I don’t know. But the fact is, it’s not a coincidence that TikTok is the main place pro-Palestinian content was allowed to go viral, and it’s likely that changing owners would change the content on TikTok even if the law doesn’t actually require it to do so.
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