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JPMorgan Workers Ponder Union in Wake of Return-to-Office Mandate

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Re: JPMorgan Workers Ponder Union in Wake of Return-to-Office Mandate

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Post by bko »

teddyh wrote: post #44
bko wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So why do companies insist? If it has no meaningful impact on productivity, and workers don't like it (including a lot of managers), why push it? That's why I believe that companies have some evidence (or belief) that work from home employees are not as productive, enough so to wage this political battle and pay loads in office expenses.

It is extremely generous of you to assume that those who push for RTO have the company’s interest in mind.

Okay, so what's the point? Just to piss of employees and waste money on real-estate and snacks?

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Post by knallfrosch »

TrackerFF wrote: post #4

I think RTO mandates will be the straw that broke the camel's back, for a lot of Americans. Workers in sectors that previously wouldn't even think about unionizing, are now having serious discussions. Going back to commutes, wasting time, for no obvious reason - yeah, that did wake up people. EDIT: I'm talking about rigid 5 days a week RTO policy. As other have pointed out, having a flexible WFH policy is often "good…

I've heard "The Great Resignation" only 2 years ago about quiet quitters and people who would switch employers in a heartbeat when made to RTO.

The opposite has happened. Workers are craving jobs harder than since the financial crisis.

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Post by mmcconnell1618 »

nielsbot wrote: post #62
999900000999 wrote: post #21

I dislike RTO for one simple reason . I'm not at work to make friends, I'm not at work to chit chat. I'm not at work so we can talk about who won the last football game . I go to work in exchange for currency, which is required to acquire goods and services. All this other crap, all these holiday parties, all of this let's dance in diversity videos, no that's not what I'm here for . Most of the time coming to the off…

It pains me to say this, but I find in-person discussions more productive than online ones. It's not just shooting the shit--for me, spontaneous social chats often lead to work-related brainstorming. Being in the office next to co-workers leads to more spontaneous discussions.

Virtual video sound is rarely full duplex meaning the first person to speak blocks others and you have these really awkward pauses and latency that interrupt natural communication. Then, add in the lack of body language cues that are difficult to see over video and the pace of communication becomes slower. Ideas don't easily bounce around a team because the technology creates a one-person-at-a-time framework.

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Post by iugtmkbdfil834 »

riskable wrote: post #103
dowager_dan99 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait - how can you say remote is comparable with in-office, then tell me a work from home mother is going to look after her 6-yr-old while doing her job and not split her attention & efforts?

Oh give it up. Very few jobs require 100% attention. At my job I'm on the phone at least half of every day and on 70% of those calls I only need at most 10% of my attention. The rest of the time I'm going through emails, filling out endless bureaucratic forms/documents, doing mandatory training, and every now and again I get to actually write some code (more likely: reviewing PRs), LOL! My performance reviews are alw…

Hah, just yesterday I had a conversation where an individual told me that I have no pride in my work if I don't devote 100% attention to it and I guess today's generation has no shame. I politely pointed out that I work based on results requested. If someone wants different results, they should adjust accordingly.

But no.. you want 110% and everyone looking busy, because.. manamagement does not know how to manage..

No offense, but to me it shows severe lack of skill in management class.

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Post by intended »

dowager_dan99 wrote: post #75
bloomingkales wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

American society doesn't want to accept that a lot of our problems happen because the parents aren't home. Michael Moore had an interesting scene in Bowling for Columbine where he showed a 6 year old shooter's mother had to work hours away daily and wasn't home. Mine and most of my friends parents always had to be outside of the house during our formative years. We had very robust economy in the 90s/2000s that pretty…

Wait - how can you say remote is comparable with in-office, then tell me a work from home mother is going to look after her 6-yr-old while doing her job and not split her attention & efforts?

Remote jobs are essentially saving people about 1 hour of travel time, per day.

Assuming a 5 day week, and an 8 hour day, thats a 10% salary bump. In practice it’s much more, since thats time you get back to spend on a variety of things, that just getting more money wont provide. Being at home, means breaks or down time help you get stuff done, and save even more time.

WFH allows for many virtuous cycles to be set up, IT moves wealth away from down town areas, and into lower cost of living regions, letting people save more money, and invigorating local commerce.

MY guess is that WFH is what society needs as a whole, wherever it can get it. Cities and municipalities should plan and compete to get the largest number of people working from home within their boundaries. Get reliable and safe mass transit up and running, and you can even cut down on short hop fuel consumption.

Money concentration is great when it helps generate more wealth for humanity at large. If it’s only going to a small group, then distributing it amongst the broader populace will (should) drive up demand, resulting in more economic activity, and therefore a stronger economy.

Heck, extend that logic to a global scale, and you’ve basically created a reflection of outsourcing. Do WFH instead.

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Post by neilv »

craftkiller wrote: post #72
999900000999 wrote: post #21

I dislike RTO for one simple reason . I'm not at work to make friends, I'm not at work to chit chat. I'm not at work so we can talk about who won the last football game . I go to work in exchange for currency, which is required to acquire goods and services. All this other crap, all these holiday parties, all of this let's dance in diversity videos, no that's not what I'm here for . Most of the time coming to the off…

> what's the point of a city like New York Pizza and Bagels. If the rest of the country got their shit together and figured out how to make acceptable pizza and bagels then I could leave this city.

Cambridge, MA, has Bagelsaurus, but unfortunately almost as expensive cost of living.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xup2Lcd4Ers&t=1m40s

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

dowager_dan99 wrote: post #64
nickff wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe JPMorgan doesn't want employees like you; maybe they want employees who chit-chat, and become attached to their company, for various (non-kLoC) reasons. Not every workplace is for everyone.

Have you noticed that those who come out hardest against RTO - or any change/revision that doesn't fit their desires - use the same, unbending absolute arguments they claim to be fighting? Like anyone who (gasp!) might want to work in the office is a slacker, there to shoot the shit and at the whim of useless managers and executives who just count asses in seats?

> the same, unbending absolute arguments they claim to be fighting

Both sides are absolutely doing this. It's like the concept of multiple equilibria has temporarily left the zeitgeist.

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Post by dygd »

999900000999 wrote: post #21

I dislike RTO for one simple reason . I'm not at work to make friends, I'm not at work to chit chat. I'm not at work so we can talk about who won the last football game . I go to work in exchange for currency, which is required to acquire goods and services. All this other crap, all these holiday parties, all of this let's dance in diversity videos, no that's not what I'm here for . Most of the time coming to the off…

For those who don't know the famous philosopher - it's George Carlin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nyvxt1svxso

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Post by mgh95 »

dowager_dan99 wrote: post #87
paxys wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What stopped them from doing exactly this 20 years ago? Turns out the differentiating factor isn't salary but talent. They pay you $$$$ because they can't find equivalent talent in India. And the talent that does exist in India isn't going to work for peanuts.

You are woefully ignorant here. There are lots of cultural challenges (ex: IME young Indians jump jobs even more frequently than young Americans), the time zone coordination, corporate organization, matching client time zone & culture, etc. Talent is not an issue. Even blind statistics are not in your favor.

I don't think you realize LATAM such as Brazil and CR is becoming the go-to destination for outsourcing, not India. IME, it's much more stable in SA than India.
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