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Re: Let's Quit X

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Post by fallinghawks »

thrance wrote: post #91
daft_pink wrote: post #55

The problem is that you are creating an echo chamber. My experience using let’s quit “insert company name” is that these echo chambers tend to be toxic and terrible. IE.. Gab, Truth Social, etc. It’s very difficult to do unless you can have broad consensus. I tend to use Twitter for an industry wide group and while a few individuals have moved, the Bluesky version just doesn’t have the reach or usefulness of the twit…

X is already a far right echo chamber, if you create a new account and navigate to the "for you" page, all you see is Elon Musk, Alex Jones, Andrew Tate and other far right "role models". It's unfortunate that X still retains a greater reach than its alternatives, but that can change in the medium term.

I follow a bunch of Japanese game developers, who at present don't have a strong motivator to leave X. Most of them are also on LINE, but I'm a little reluctant to try it since I don't actually read Japanese. (ETA: I looked at LINE just now and it seems more like a chat app than a board where users post information for anyone, so I think it's off the table.)

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Post by hmmm-i-wonder »

r00fus wrote: post #81
daft_pink wrote: post #55

The problem is that you are creating an echo chamber. My experience using let’s quit “insert company name” is that these echo chambers tend to be toxic and terrible. IE.. Gab, Truth Social, etc. It’s very difficult to do unless you can have broad consensus. I tend to use Twitter for an industry wide group and while a few individuals have moved, the Bluesky version just doesn’t have the reach or usefulness of the twit…

This will eventually shift. There is legitimately very little reason to use X unless you're a Musk-stan. Case in point: I started using twitter regularly during the CA fires & blackouts in 2017. I was amazed at how quickly I could get a read on a situation and actual on the ground facts at near real-time speed. For the Palisades fire, I'm struggling to make X nearly as useful as it was. There is a lot of random diatr…

I remember during covid and after when we had nearby wildfires. even during a mass shooting event a few years back how useful twitter was for realtime information sharing between public and agencies. There was a few years I'd regularly know things before radio/news picked them up. I also remember how during major world events twitter would explode in volume and reactions to the point third party systems would struggle (I once upon a time worked on one of those third party systems)

Now I struggle to find regular updates and half the accounts I used to follow are idle. By the time that third party twitter processor I had worked for shut down, the cadence of posts were so scheduled it was obviously driven by bots and not organic reactions. Even major world events would be gamed by bots as fast as real reactions which had significantly decreased on their own.

I haven't found a replacement to be fair, but I definitely see the enshittification of it from an incredibly useful short form broadcast channel to an engagement-gamified advertising megaphone.

Re: Let's Quit X

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Post by jmclnx »

Funny, I was thinking this was a "go all in or Wayland" and stop using X.

But I already did quit, remobed my X ID a few months ago.

Re: Let's Quit X

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Post by rvz »

unpopularopp wrote: post #65
daft_pink wrote: post #55

The problem is that you are creating an echo chamber. My experience using let’s quit “insert company name” is that these echo chambers tend to be toxic and terrible. IE.. Gab, Truth Social, etc. It’s very difficult to do unless you can have broad consensus. I tend to use Twitter for an industry wide group and while a few individuals have moved, the Bluesky version just doesn’t have the reach or usefulness of the twit…

>The problem is that you are creating an echo chamber Yeah but it's a left wing echo chamber and that's good! /s Incognito window > bsky > discovery feed > every post is about US politics, Trump bad, rich people bad, Musk bad etc. Same shit just different colors Bsky is not the answer, the only answer is not to use social media at all. And more or less that applies to HN too.

> The only answer is not to use social media at all. And more or less that applies to HN too.

That is the only correct answer. To essentially delete all your social media accounts.

If one wants to stop their alcohol addiction for example (Using Facebook, X), is not done by switching the brand of alcohol (Threads, Bluesky).

It is done by stopping altogether (by deleting all your accounts) and only you can do that.

Re: Let's Quit X

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Post by rsynnott »

timmg wrote: post #27
jsheard wrote: post #3

Anecdotal, but so many people in my circles have jumped ship to Bluesky that the transition is pretty seamless at this point. It feels more like Twitter than what became of Twitter does.

Curious: what happens when Bluesky has all the same people/posts as Twitter? Will it be any better? Or will it just be the same thing on a new website?

Well, for a start it won't have Musk trying to break it. Like, its worst near-term case is probably 2022 Twitter. It's unlikely they'll do pay-for-attention, say; musk!Twitter is the only social network I know of to have done that outside the dating/hookup site world.

Also, though, it has significantly better self-serve moderation tools than Twitter ever did (they _kind_ of existed for pre-Musk Twitter as third-party stuff, though Musk's API changes broke most of them). For instance, I subscribe to a moderation list which auto-blocks transphobes, so I don't have to read their One Joke again and again (seriously, they've pretty much had the one thing for the last 20 years; you'd think they could at least come up with some new material). People who, er, enjoy the one joke are of course free to enjoy it by not subscribing to that mod list.

I do expect it to get worse over time as more people join, tbh; the current user base is rather self-selecting. But I don't think it will get as bad as current-Twitter. If it does, er, onto the next thing, I suppose.

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Post by brailsafe »

suzzer99 wrote: post #111
brailsafe wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there a personal reason you have to keep with it at all at that level? Not doubting you do, but I feel like people are generally addicted to keeping up with shit that affects their emotions and really doesn't need to.

If you live in LA it's kind of important.

Ya, I'd assume so, they just said they started using it regularly then, but not that they needed to, so I'd assume that'd be why, but it's not like LA people are the only ones chronically checking up on the situation.

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Post by fsckboy »

r00fus wrote: post #81
daft_pink wrote: post #55

The problem is that you are creating an echo chamber. My experience using let’s quit “insert company name” is that these echo chambers tend to be toxic and terrible. IE.. Gab, Truth Social, etc. It’s very difficult to do unless you can have broad consensus. I tend to use Twitter for an industry wide group and while a few individuals have moved, the Bluesky version just doesn’t have the reach or usefulness of the twit…

This will eventually shift. There is legitimately very little reason to use X unless you're a Musk-stan. Case in point: I started using twitter regularly during the CA fires & blackouts in 2017. I was amazed at how quickly I could get a read on a situation and actual on the ground facts at near real-time speed. For the Palisades fire, I'm struggling to make X nearly as useful as it was. There is a lot of random diatr…

>unless you're a Musk-stan

what's a -stan? do you mean like kazakhstan?

Re: Let's Quit X

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Post by tbayly »

Sure, leave already. Dig a hole. Go into your cave. Watch shadows. Smoke weed. Stick your fingers in your ears. Close your eyes. Hate. Then hate some more. Be a solipsist high-fiving other solipsists.

Honestly, how pathetic. The liberal is the man who doesn't want to talk or listen to anyone who disagrees with him. It's not hard to understand why half the country hates Musk and their fellow citizens on X, but listening is fundamental to maintenance of the polis. Anyhow, I'm on both X and BlueSky.

Re: Let's Quit X

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Post by sergiotapia »

thrance wrote: post #104
sergiotapia wrote: post #75

bluesky and other echochambers are not the solution to censorship. bluesky is the left to the x right. both serving different masters. The solution is true mesh network with financial incentive to "host" the content. Imagine kinda of like bittorrent seeding where the longer you seed the more you "mine crypto". I'm too dumb to build such a thing, but that is the solution. A true peer to peer network where all content…

You probably wouldn't want to host CSAM or even more abject content. Also the performance would be terrible. The issue with unmoderated content is that it always devolves into a neonazis and other hateful/deranged groups echo chamber, and everyone else leaves because frankly who wants to engage with that? Look at 4chan for an example.

agreed of csam - but for the rest, ai on edge is so powerful now, users could filter or not filter whatever they want. there's no reason musk or dorsey should decide whats ok.
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