Isn't this basically a curious way to stay away from people a bit more?
One person's anti-social responsibilities are another person's way of getting a lot done without as many people bugging them ;)
28h Days: year 1 update
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#122After reading the article I didn’t pick up what any of the advantages are of 28hr days other than being able to communicate with other regions of the world on certain days. I suppose that could be a very important factor for some people who do work in a geographically dispersed area. A few things I would be concerned with are: 1) your SO is not on the same schedule and really for what isn’t a solid reason. I could se…
I'm not the OP, but I've considered doing this (have personally tried tri-phasic sleep in the past as an alternative) so I'm assuming the motivation might be the same: I just don't have a 24hr circadian rhythm. I'd guess mine is more like 26hr, not 28hr, but same idea applies. If I wake up after getting 8 hours of sleep, after 16 hours I am just... not sleepy. I can go to bed and not use screens and take melatonin an…
>Since many studies seem to show that getting a solid amount of sleep is good,
This one of the bigger myths around. There's not really scientific evidence that people sleep eight hours, or need that much[1]. It's one of those strange pop culture food pyramid like statements that just doesn't really have any evidence for it. It's much more likely that you simply need less sleep than that you have some circadian rhythm problem.
[1]https://www.penguin.co.uk/articles/2020/09/daniel-lieberman-...
Re: 28h Days: year 1 update
#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
Likewise but I've found small melatonin doses (plus reducing caffeine to once per day) to really help me conform to a 24 hour day. Worth trying if you haven't.
I tried melatonin. It gave me nightmares. Weird, but it was repeatable. So, my 0,02€.
There's this stuff at GNC called "Tri-Sleep". Imagine meletonin tablet effects x5. I don't get nightmares, but my dreams definitely get incredibly weird and more lucid. To be honest though, I definitely think I sleep deeper and longer when I take it amd feel more recovered. Again, anecedotal.
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#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
> How You need a significant period of time without any time-bound obligation (or even any obligation at all). Any need for an alarm or anything that you'd possibly materialise in a calendar needs to be removed. You need a room which is pitch black at night (e.g blocks street lights, no leds), yet still allows a tiny bit of sunlight (rationale: without cues the circadian cycle extends up to 48h, there was an experime…
> rationale: without cues the circadian cycle extends up to 48h, there was an experiment about that Do you have a link to this experiment? I haven't seen this mentioned anywhere. Studies referenced in the non-24 wikipedia page suggest natural circadian rhythms typically range from 24-25.5 hours for people not getting external cues.
I had to do a quick search again, this is the guy:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Siffre
Here's an interview on the subject, which includes the initial experiment (which had him having a slightly over 24h rhythm) and subsequent ones (where the 48h rhythm showed up)
https://www.cabinetmagazine.org/issues/30/foer_siffre.php
The interesting thing about going down a cave is that it removes a ton of other possible cues like temperature variation (or side effects of trying to mechanically account for that)
My pet theory about human beings generally having slightly longer than 24 hour circadian rhythm is that it gives margin: with a 24 sun cycle and a 24.5 rhythm you naturally get a self-correcting consistent positive benefit; otherwise you'd always be right on the edge and unable to recover when things go sideways.
Re: 28h Days: year 1 update
#125After reading the article I didn’t pick up what any of the advantages are of 28hr days other than being able to communicate with other regions of the world on certain days. I suppose that could be a very important factor for some people who do work in a geographically dispersed area. A few things I would be concerned with are: 1) your SO is not on the same schedule and really for what isn’t a solid reason. I could se…
I think its more of a lifestyle preference rather than 28h is better than 24h for everyone kinda rule. I, for instance, hate sleeping. I want to maximise my awake hours and sleep when only when I get tired. So this article speaks to me. The only thing I am worried about is long term health problems that might arise doing this stunt.
Also if people cant respect or don't like your lifestyle, I don't see a point in being with them. If they cant move things around or if we cant find time for something, move on. Life is too short to deal with people problems that can be solved just by doing nothing.
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#126I’ve been fascinated with alternative sleep schedules since I was very young. My initial interest turned to a fascination when I realized the only positive long-term reports were usually from people trying to sell something: Their book, a sleep plan, or just using their sleep cycle as a social hook to impress others (influencers, basically). All of the forum reports started out optimistic and then ended in disappoint…
Please familiarize yourself with the community of https://www.reddit.com/r/N24 No one is selling anything. There are many of us who benefit remarkably from what you're calling an "alternative sleep schedule" (I'm not specifically talking about 28-hour day entrainment like the blog author, but whatever works for each individual based on their own idiosyncratic circadian rhythm) Many of us have periods where we have to…
Sorry for the naive question: do you guys have software to help communicate your schedule with others?
I imagine an app which populates Calendly or Google calendar (booking appointments) with times when you're asleep.
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#127My "alternative sleep schedule" involves naps on the couch! #oldAF
Re: 28h Days: year 1 update
#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
Please familiarize yourself with the community of https://www.reddit.com/r/N24 No one is selling anything. There are many of us who benefit remarkably from what you're calling an "alternative sleep schedule" (I'm not specifically talking about 28-hour day entrainment like the blog author, but whatever works for each individual based on their own idiosyncratic circadian rhythm) Many of us have periods where we have to…
Sorry for the naive question: do you guys have software to help communicate your schedule with others? I imagine an app which populates Calendly or Google calendar (booking appointments) with times when you're asleep.
I think there's an Android app and a Windows app, but I've just used a spreadsheet and some formulas to calculate sleep/wake hours
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#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
I tried melatonin. It gave me nightmares. Weird, but it was repeatable. So, my 0,02€.
This happens if I take too much melatonin. The dosage in US-sold melatonin is unnecessarily high. Finnish tablets are typically 1.9mg, while US ones can have 10mg in just one.
1mg or less seems to work best. Source: https://slatestarcodex.com/2018/07/10/melatonin-much-more-th...
I take melatonin (0.2mg via a spray). It is very effective. Nightmares are a recurring problem for me and other users I know, but can be solved with low doses and a lot of discipline.
Re: 28h Days: year 1 update
#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
Likewise but I've found small melatonin doses (plus reducing caffeine to once per day) to really help me conform to a 24 hour day. Worth trying if you haven't.
I tried melatonin. It gave me nightmares. Weird, but it was repeatable. So, my 0,02€.
I get those on valerian root myself.