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Akamai to shut down its CDN operations in China

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Re: Akamai to shut down its CDN operations in China

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Post by wbl »

parasense wrote: post #88
sangnoir wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a red herring, I was responding to this specific sentence about the US "finally" acting, as if it's a new phenomenon: >> The US is finally starting to act in kind, and should continue to do so > No country is a perfect free market, and has some 'sacred cows' that it attempts to protect This is a more nuanced take that should be the starting off point for any productive discussion around what counts as "fair"…

It is a Red Herring. That is because the Jones Act in context to the gross entirety of the USA and PRC economic relations is at best utterly irrelevant. Besides, you might find it interesting to learn that the protectionist parts of the Jones act are in fact common around the world. Many counties prohibit port to port shippments without first visiting an international port. Mind you, many folks here would agree these…

The part of the Jones act that's significant is the US made vessel issue. Most countries don't have that.

Re: Akamai to shut down its CDN operations in China

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Post by dgfitz »

sangnoir wrote: post #113
dgfitz wrote: post #99

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> Acknowledging that will help frame whether the respective countries have the political appetite to temp or undo those policies. What does framing matter? Things are going to happen, trying to “frame” them is why journalism is miserable.

What journalism? I'm talking about how we frame the discussion on HN in threads like this one.

Same point. Framing = “think about things this way” instead of just pointing out facts and letting people decide what they will.

Why do you think the president-elect is who they are? People don’t like whatever “framing” is supposed to be.

Re: Akamai to shut down its CDN operations in China

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Post by inkyoto »

eh_why_not wrote: post #26

> All current China CDN customers must complete the transition to our Partners’ solution by June 30, 2026... Can anyone here who works in the field shed some light on why it takes a whole 1.5 years for such a change to take effect? What's involved in a CDN transition that can't be done in, say, 6 months?

Because Akamai is substantially more than a CDN (arguably, CDN is now a smaller – albeit not small – part of their business): it is also certificate management, WAF, web app/API protection, IAM, edge DNS, edge workers, complex CDN rules, analytics and a whole bunch of other stuff.

Enterprise customers also typically and mostly use Akamai in non-CDN scenarios so they will have a hard time migrating off it if a need be, especially if they have invested heavily in Akamai.

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Post by BeetleB »

Xenoamorphous wrote: post #71
iamacyborg wrote: post #69

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* wants the publicity from being the president to ban them

Genuine question as someone not from the US, wouldn’t that make a significant part of a generation mad at Republicans? Some who might be close to voting age or might even be able to vote already.

> Genuine question as someone not from the US, wouldn’t that make a significant part of a generation mad at Republicans?

This would be a minor "infraction" compared to what he has already done. I don't see this moving the needle one bit.

Re: Akamai to shut down its CDN operations in China

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Post by cyp0633 »

I remember the days when jsDelivr suddenly lost its ICP licence, and therefore got an immediate ban in China Mainland. It used to be a really reliable CDN service for both China and abroad. Then it suddenly failed. PS: China now allows foreign entities to run CDNs, ISPs and IDCs in specific cities, starting from Apr 2024. This could be because something else.

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Post by lmm »

dgfitz wrote: post #122
sangnoir wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What journalism? I'm talking about how we frame the discussion on HN in threads like this one.

Same point. Framing = “think about things this way” instead of just pointing out facts and letting people decide what they will. Why do you think the president-elect is who they are? People don’t like whatever “framing” is supposed to be.

> Why do you think the president-elect is who they are? People don’t like whatever “framing” is supposed to be.

Isn't it the opposite? People see the same facts but framed in different ways, and so take away very different interpretations.

Re: Akamai to shut down its CDN operations in China

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Post by colechristensen »

biesnecker wrote: post #36
wafflerewire wrote: post #29

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My enterprise sized day job is an Akamai customer. Nothing in China directly so we won't be directly impacted. As a hypothetical, if we got told that we had to switch providers to stay in a region, we'd need to rebuild pipelines, EdgeWorkers, edge caching rules, origin routing configurations and probably more I'm not aware of. Plus testing all of those changes in a non-breaking way across the entire enterprise. Along…

This. People tend not to realize how sprawling enterprise software stacks tend to be, how many implicit dependencies have to be untangled, etc. Even simple things can take years and complicated things often just don’t get done at all.

Yes, dealing with the mess that is your software stack, the mess that is your corporate structure, and the mess that is your change management process means that things a couple dudes in your startup could accomplish in a week would take a year at a crusty enterprise.

Re: Akamai to shut down its CDN operations in China

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Post by versteegen »

t-3 wrote: post #96
alephnerd wrote: post #52

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True, but Australia and China have extremely close economic relations due to proximity and an FTA.

That's a pretty one-way relationship though. Australia and China are literally thousands of miles away from each other, but China is still important to Australia because all the continental landmasses are far from Australia.

Well unlike most countries Australia and China have a lot of two-way trade (though imports to China are double exports) because China imports lots of raw minerals (as well as food) from them, and noone buys as many raw materials as China does. And thousands of km is still much less than twenty thousand to Europe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_largest_trading_pa...

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