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Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by mbesto »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #105
mbesto wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> you have to control for (a) sports and (b) expensive cars. Fair. But the opposite is also true...Porsche 911 and 718 are both 9% and 17% depreciation values respectively, which bring the overall averages down too. Not to mention the Model S is #19 in worst depreciation. So there are a lot of factors at play other than simply saying "just eliminate all sports/expensive cars" > The Model 3 is shown to have a 42.9% 5-…

> You would have to compare a Model 3 to a sedan, not an SUV My point is that EV has a depreciation rate comparable to that of a popular automobile category. We wouldn't conclude adversely against SUVs for that number; we similarly shouldn't for the Model 3. > if EVs are as valuable as people make them out to be and the demand is so high for them The drumbeat of the last year has been about flagging demand for EVs. W…

> Who is saying demand is so high?

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/03/cars/musk-tesla-cars-value-ev...

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by orwin »

tnaxer wrote: post #116
davidw wrote: post #14

I'm nearly 50. I'm used to the idea of businesses owners having different politics than my own, but mostly that was the sort of self-interested "I'm wealthy and I think wealthy people should pay fewer taxes and their businesses should be subject to fewer regulations" sorts of things. You can disagree without thinking they're necessarily Bad People or worthy of boycotting their businesses. Indeed, it's the hallmark of…

After criticizing Israel he was "invited" over there, was completely deferential and wore the symbol of the Israel army in interview. Sorry, a real antisemite wouldn't do that. What likely happened is that his comments were taken out of context and deliberately misinterpreted by the "left" (i.e., corporate and establishment friendly) media.

Instead of "left", you can call them liberals or radical centrists, but that would include part of the Republicans as well, and people on the democrat party who really believe in what they say/think.

My preferred is "extreme centre" but that's a bit more niche, and i think pretty much unknown for the anglo world, although Tariq Ali wrote a book on it[0] which is too political for me (i like the politics inside, but the issue is that the only english book that talk about this term is pretty much marked politically when it should be universal[1])

[0]https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/39705210-the-extreme-cen...

[1] But that's not surprising, it kinda confirm my theory about politics and propension to read outside/academic sources

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by pupppet »

dauertewigkeit wrote: post #31
davidw wrote: post #14

I'm nearly 50. I'm used to the idea of businesses owners having different politics than my own, but mostly that was the sort of self-interested "I'm wealthy and I think wealthy people should pay fewer taxes and their businesses should be subject to fewer regulations" sorts of things. You can disagree without thinking they're necessarily Bad People or worthy of boycotting their businesses. Indeed, it's the hallmark of…

Why is Musk be loud about his politics worse than other billionaires being quiet but equally active in the political scene? It's good to know where these people stand.

There's a difference between being loud and purchasing a seat at the table.

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by mbesto »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #114
mbesto wrote: post #58

My friend said it best: "EVs are great second cars" I think we're finally hitting the saturation point of EVs as the market who adopted them is realizing their flaws as a primary vehicle: - Inadequate infrastructure (both localized "my apartment doesn't have a charging station" and more globally "I stopped at a supercharger station and it was full of people so my charge went from 100 kW to 15 kW and took 45 min to ch…

> My friend said it best: "EVs are great second cars" I disagree. We've had an EV for ~5 years now, and have put about 10x as many miles on it as we have on our gasoline vehicle. The gasoline vehicle is the second car, and the EV is what we prefer for road trips. > your tires wear 20~30% faster Not in my experience, I'm getting 70k from a set of tires, which is comparable to previous cars. Just because a car can acce…

> Not in my experience

Anecdotal. Just do a few google searches and the data says 20~30%. Torque, weight, etc. all conclude this. Just go into a discount tire and the guys will tell you this is true.

> Just because a car can accelerate quickly doesn't mean you should.

You've reinforced my point - which is most people don't know how to drive EVs with maintenance in mind.

> NTesla's and BMW i3's from ~2013 are testing at around 85% battery capacity.

So then why not warrant against it if this is so certain? Also, ICE gas tanks don't get smaller over time.

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Post by LightBug1 »

FloorEgg wrote: post #52
j4coh wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess it speaks more to his utter lack of social skills than anything how he has managed to convince both the far left and far right he is simultaneously an Elder of Zion super-Liberal enemy as well as a white supremacist fascist enemy. Comments supporting both readings keep popping up as replies and then get insta-flagged.

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Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by floxy »

SoftTalker wrote: post #88
xiphias2 wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

BYD is continuing what Tesla started: getting cheaper while scaling up battery and car production. The market is there for worse and much cheaper electric cars, just not mainly in US.

I think some of that demand is there in the US. My daily needs for a car would be satisfied with 100 mile range, allowing for a pretty generous buffer. I also sometimes need to drive beyond the range of an EV without wanting to think about recharging delays or possibly getting stranded. I'd consider owning a very cheap small EV for my daily needs, but not at the prices they command today. Even something like a Nissan…

>I'd consider owning a very cheap small EV for my daily needs, but not at the prices they command today.

Is that due to EV prices or car prices in general? I guess it depends on where you are and what price you pay for electricity. But I also think a lot of people haven't internalized the price inflation of new and used cars in the last 4 years. A second generation Leaf with less that 25k miles can be had for less than $15,000, and it is should be eligible for a $4,000 used EV tax credit (if your income is under $150k):

https://www.carvana.com/vehicle/3348306?refSource=srp

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by AnotherGoodName »

lelandbatey wrote: post #90
sidcool wrote: post #4

Why's there so much hate for Tesla here on HN?

All it took for me was renting their vehicle to drive and finding that the controls for everything we're terrible, just awful to use while trying to operate a vehicle. Turning on the windshield wipers? Gotta fill out your taxes on the touch screen. Changing the direction of the AC? Don't look at the road, look at our "fancy animated widget for changing which way the air blows". It was shockingly poorly thought out an…

Did you try the very latest models that don't have an indicator stalk? Not even kidding on this one either. If you thought removing the wiper stalk was bad try the latest Tesla models! No indicator stalk!

I wouldn't be surprised at all if US politics was far lesser of an impact than the actual car itself.

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by LightBug1 »

chvid wrote: post #80
bryanlarsen wrote: post #20

In contrast, BYD sold over 500,000 vehicles in December alone. https://electrek.co/2025/01/02/byds-ev-sales-surged-2024-eno...

But none in the US and only very few in the EU.

Patience. I saw my first BYD in the UK yesterday. Definitely on their way.

Don't get me wrong, I'm no real fan of them, but they are coming. Significant models have only just been released. In 5 years they'll be a big player here. Too early at the moment.

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