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Post by f1shy »

intelVISA wrote: post #104
f1shy wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have a point. The problem in the german car industry there is no technical leadership. From the bottom management upwards they are all politicians. No technical people.

Is that unique to the German car industry? Outside of a few tech corps or some small startups, mainly in the US, most shops seem to 'run' their tech function more like buyer/seller e.g. "here's some Euros in exchange for [thing] we'd like" instead of the traditional employer/employee dynamic where your boss can evaluate your work to some degree. Arguably they'd be better off actually doing that as a true buyer and ju…

No doubt it happens elsewhere. I meant only what I know for fact. Bur a good example where seems very much to be running similar is e.g. Boeing

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Post by f1shy »

gambiting wrote: post #112
f1shy wrote: post #80

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That is a little harsh. Good that democracy is about respecting the opinions of other people.

No, democracy isn't about that. It's about respecting other people's choice - which I do. It's the old "I will defend your right to have an opinion, but I reserve the right to call this opinion stupid". I respect the Brexit vote - I still think anyone who voted for it is missing brain cells in critical parts of their brain - these two things aren't mutually exclusive.

Actually, you are right. And even when I do think that the EU has many good and also many many bad things, I think is good all in all. My choice is still no to insult people who think differently, in a such complicated not-white-black topic.

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Post by f1shy »

unethical_ban wrote: post #106
f1shy wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is a little harsh. Good that democracy is about respecting the opinions of other people.

No one criticized democracy, and it's not an attack on democracy to hold people with bad opinions in low regard.

That low regard in the history has change to hate, persecution and qualified vote, to mention a few. Specially when not saying “they are wrong” but “they are incapable of thinking”.

So per se both a bad thing, but I personally regard such expressions as dangerous for the long term democracy

Re: VW Group Collects Vehicle Movement Data

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Post by iamacyborg »

ricktdotorg wrote: post #94
iamacyborg wrote: post #45

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Citation needed

re: EU central registry of assets, here is a Bloomberg Law piece from July 2024, detailing the chairman of the EU parliament's tax subcommittee's desire to get a "European registry of assets". it seems fairly straight forward. [1] https://myconvergence.bna.com/ContentItem/ArticlePublic/2620... edited to fix link

Call me crazy but one guy in one subcommitee stating he wants something does not justify the massive conspiracy theory.

Re: VW Group Collects Vehicle Movement Data

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Post by aembleton »

gambiting wrote: post #55
tempodox wrote: post #22

So we have cookie consent banners for web sites but in a car the manufacturer can just steal all the data they want…

Oh you do agree to it when you start the car for the first time, so it's not any different than cookie consent banners in that sense. It's just meaningless because you can't not agree to it.

How does it work when buying a used car?

Re: VW Group Collects Vehicle Movement Data

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Post by polotics »

epolanski wrote: post #110
Earw0rm wrote: post #64

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Because Tesla isn't owned and controlled by a foreign government and military rival. (OK, Elon is a little too cosy with Putin for my liking, but not to that extent). I think it's reasonable to be sceptical about whether a state that brings us disposable vapes, TikTok and throwaway fast fashion has our best interests at heart.

1) Imagine how biased you are, to throw such ridiculous arguments: China did not invent disposable vapes, those are even banned in their country, it did not invent algorithm-driven video social media and even less fast fashion (Zara was the first huge brand popularizing it, and the clothes were made in Spain). 2) Musk is literally a member of the next cabinet. And you have no clues and are probably delusional if you…

Ask a philippino sailor what they think about your 3rd statement, maybe? Cue non-US news source: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/10/11/whats-behind-escal...

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Post by unethical_ban »

f1shy wrote: post #123
unethical_ban wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one criticized democracy, and it's not an attack on democracy to hold people with bad opinions in low regard.

That low regard in the history has change to hate, persecution and qualified vote, to mention a few. Specially when not saying “they are wrong” but “they are incapable of thinking”. So per se both a bad thing, but I personally regard such expressions as dangerous for the long term democracy

I respect your opinion, and agree that democracy is critical.

"Democracy is the worst system, other than the rest". Ideally we would have an LSAT-like exam as a qualifier to vote, but any kind of testing to be allowed to vote would be manipulated eventually by corrupt administrations. Therefore, the only remedy to an ignorant society's decisionmaking is quality public education and broad suffrage.

Re: VW Group Collects Vehicle Movement Data

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Post by gambiting »

aembleton wrote: post #125
gambiting wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh you do agree to it when you start the car for the first time, so it's not any different than cookie consent banners in that sense. It's just meaningless because you can't not agree to it.

How does it work when buying a used car?

Legally, it doesn't - there's no way that whatever the last owner has agreed to is binding, but the functionality will continue to run regardless.

Re: VW Group Collects Vehicle Movement Data

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Post by checkyoursudo »

theoreticalmal wrote: post #103
checkyoursudo wrote: post #26

I have a really hard time understanding why we as a society (or various societies) are okay these kinds of things. Sure, I understand that there is little I can do about it, but why are powerful people okay with their car company or phone company knowing everything about them? Are people in California and the EU at least covered by data privacy laws?

There are clear financial reasons for governments and vehicle manufacturers to want this to happen. From the consumer standpoint, what’s the alternative? Every new vehicle has one of these devices (recently mandated in USA by 20XX). If you want to buy a new vehicle, there’s no option but to have a telematics device installed. If you think you’re competent enough to rip the component out yourself, hopefully it’s not i…

What are the financial reasons for governments to want mass surveillance? I can understand some other reasons, which I think are illegitimate, but I cannot think of a financial reason.

At any rate, governments are all made of people who are also tracked at all times. Just because some parts of government would like mass surveillance, why would legislators who can do something about it be okay with having their car be constantly monitored by private parties or the police or anyone?

Why would legislators, donors, and lobbyists be okay with their own location data (and in some extreme cases like with Nissan their "sexual behaviors" etc) being sold to data brokers, for example?

Re: VW Group Collects Vehicle Movement Data

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Post by checkyoursudo »

f1shy wrote: post #82
checkyoursudo wrote: post #26

I have a really hard time understanding why we as a society (or various societies) are okay these kinds of things. Sure, I understand that there is little I can do about it, but why are powerful people okay with their car company or phone company knowing everything about them? Are people in California and the EU at least covered by data privacy laws?

I am by no means ok with it. And I try to vote with my money when I buy.

I try, too. It is less and less possible every day.
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