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VW breach exposes location of 800k electric vehicles

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Re: VW breach exposes location of 800k electric vehicles

#121

We need a way to disable vehicle telemetry. No, a software switch is not enough. We need to be able to physically unplug the cellular modem entirely and have the vehicle work with 100% functionality (barring features which inherently require cellular connectivity like turning the heating on remotely) Car manufacturers' features are mostly useless anyway thanks to Android Auto/Apple CarPlay

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Re: VW breach exposes location of 800k electric vehicles

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EVs are topping the list of (imho) useless extras in cars. I'm still cherishing my Honda Fit pre-touchscreen edition. I'm going to drive it until it will fall apart. My next car will be an EV but I have yet to find one that still comes with mechanical features (door handles, knobs/buttons), without a whole battery of surveillance/telemetry tech and (crossing fingers) exchangable batteries. Simple electric propulsion…

I just bought a used 2023 Nissan Leaf. Fully EV, real buttons and knobs, and of course the model is cancelled. The original tracking was 2G cellular, later updated to 3G cellular. 2G is long depricated, and 3G is already shutdown in many places. This is a great car! Which explains why it's no longer available. It doesn't meet modern american needs, like being at least as large as a small building, or having 0 visibil…

I bought a used '14 Leaf in '16. It has been a great car with very little battery degradation. Sure, I'm not going to be taking it on any long trips, but for 90% of my driving it is great. I paid $11k for it. Best car purchase I've made in 30+ years of car ownership.

Re: VW breach exposes location of 800k electric vehicles

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post #48
post #28

EVs are topping the list of (imho) useless extras in cars. I'm still cherishing my Honda Fit pre-touchscreen edition. I'm going to drive it until it will fall apart. My next car will be an EV but I have yet to find one that still comes with mechanical features (door handles, knobs/buttons), without a whole battery of surveillance/telemetry tech and (crossing fingers) exchangable batteries. Simple electric propulsion…

I just bought a used 2023 Nissan Leaf. Fully EV, real buttons and knobs, and of course the model is cancelled. The original tracking was 2G cellular, later updated to 3G cellular. 2G is long depricated, and 3G is already shutdown in many places. This is a great car! Which explains why it's no longer available. It doesn't meet modern american needs, like being at least as large as a small building, or having 0 visibil…

That's amazing considering 2023 was only last year.

Re: VW breach exposes location of 800k electric vehicles

#124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I plan to buy old used cars forever when I can no longer keep my 2013 Subie going.

why not have whatever dies replaced? I will probably do that with my crappy small truck from 2006.

After a certain point, parts just aren't made.

I drive a 1997 ES300 that needs a new left rear taillight lens. The new part doesn't exist anymore, and I can't find a used part in Canada.

Re: VW breach exposes location of 800k electric vehicles

#125
The answer is simple: No matter the reason, if you have a data breach you must pay each person 100$ min with higher amounts depending on the information lost. Additionally, if that information is used in a crime then you are liable for further damages. Car companies, and other data vacuums, will just stop collecting it if they are liable for what happens to it.

I will not buy a car that does this. I am starting to turn my phone off when I am not using it as well. Being tracked every second of my life is not acceptable.

Re: VW breach exposes location of 800k electric vehicles

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Find the guys who usually park at expensive family homes, but occasionally visit a known brothel, then blackmail them. We all just let surveillance haplen to us, in fact we paid for most of it

I once worked for a firm that had access to credit card transaction data and came across almost this exact scenario. Kindergarten transactions one day, escort payments on another. It was — and still is — creepy. An average Joe like me shouldn't be able to pry into someone's private life like that.

My theory is that most people think about data misuse, perhaps unconsciously, from the viewpoint of your average good person. E.g. "if I got a hold of a stranger's bank information, then I'd be tempted to steal from them."

Instead they should think from the perspective of an evil person. E.g. "how can I proactively use whatever data that I can get to hurt someone."

For example, at a previous job I went to my managers and pointed out that every developer working on our system had access to our user's names and their involvement with racial justice programs our client was running. By guessing someone's ethnicity from their name, a bad actor could target minorities involved in racial justice. The response I got was not to fix the security issue; instead it was horror that I would ever conceive of such a scheme.

Re: VW breach exposes location of 800k electric vehicles

#127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I plan to buy old used cars forever when I can no longer keep my 2013 Subie going.

why not have whatever dies replaced? I will probably do that with my crappy small truck from 2006.

Rust. I mean, it's still possible to repair but it gets annoying.

Re: VW breach exposes location of 800k electric vehicles

#128
post #9

Find the guys who usually park at expensive family homes, but occasionally visit a known brothel, then blackmail them. We all just let surveillance haplen to us, in fact we paid for most of it

I once worked for a firm that had access to credit card transaction data and came across almost this exact scenario. Kindergarten transactions one day, escort payments on another. It was — and still is — creepy. An average Joe like me shouldn't be able to pry into someone's private life like that.

That's just bad opsec. I would have thought rule number one of soliciting was to be cash only.

Ignoring of course that the amount of aggregated surveillance makes it impossible to escape monitoring. Credit cards, license plate scanners, phone GPS, airtags, doorbell cameras, "Eye in the Sky" spy planes, etc

Re: VW breach exposes location of 800k electric vehicles

#129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I plan to buy old used cars forever when I can no longer keep my 2013 Subie going.

why not have whatever dies replaced? I will probably do that with my crappy small truck from 2006.

Subframe rot. I live in Wisconsin. My 2000 Lexus won't live forever, no matter what I do.

Re: VW breach exposes location of 800k electric vehicles

#130
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Why the sideways fuck did they even have location data to begin with? It's like the checklist for buying a new car starts with figuring out what circuit drives the cell modem and pop that fuse out before taking a test drive to confirm it doesn't brick anything critical. Fucking ridiculous.

Most new cars have features that require it such as onboard GPS, speed limits on the dash, OnStar and similar features.

Niche feature that shouldn't affect any other part of the car's operation if it were turned off or nonfunctional due to modem hardware shutoff.
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