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38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by mr_mitm »

dpassens wrote: post #113
bratwurst3000 wrote: post #103

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the only i can think of is sentence with comatas. In german you can have as many „hauptsätze“ in one sentence as long they are separated by a comma. for example what thomas berndhard does is crazy. its one sentence per page. i think in german you can be more precise in one sentence. but that will be a hell of a sentence.

Can't you just use a semicolon to do the same in English? And even if not, just because an idea is split over several sentences doesn't mean you can't communicate it. That's what paragraphs are for.

You can, and probably should. Texts like Kant are borderline incomprehensible even to native Germans and seem to only serve the author's need for displaying their intelligence. The ideas they are conveying are not that complex. Relativistic quantum theory or string theory can be expressed in English (plus math, while it's not like math wouldn't be needed in German) just fine, so I really don't understand where these supposed limitations of English are.

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by Y_Y »

crest wrote: post #85
miki123211 wrote: post #59

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Thank you, I didn't realize this existed. I have accessibility needs (screen reader user) that make subtitles less fun to use than they would otherwise be, and I speak no German, so those interpreted recordings would be really great for me. I assume you don't publish on Youtube? That's how I usually consume CCC content, mostly due to YT's recommendation algorithms and excellent cross-device "continue playback" suppor…

The CCC is a big believer in self hosting there is a live streaming platform during the event and media.ccc.de afterwards.

My preferred YouTube client (NewPipe) even includes a CCC backend too.

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by davrosthedalek »

lispm wrote: post #107
davrosthedalek wrote: post #91

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As a native German speaker living in the US, I have mixed feelings: - Talks in German feel slightly less, hmm, professional? Maybe it's the field I grow up in (physics). Like, ok, in your studies you speak German, but when you grow up and go to big-boy conferences, it's English. The Congress should be big-boy league. - Also, realistically, many technical terms are English, so the a German talk might have to make hard…

> "Realistically though, the congress is a worldwide phenomenon" Actually it is an open meeting of the German members of the CCC. What you see online is an important part of the congress, but it is only a part of the whole thing. Much more it is a gathering of activists. Thus its from the CCC for CCC. Guests are welcome. Since the talks maybe interesting to a larger audience they are streamed and translated in real-t…

>> "Realistically though, the congress is a worldwide phenomenon" >People from outside Germany are visiting the congress.

My point exactly! International people want to take part, best in-person, and they are more able to take part if as much as possible is available in the common-denominator language. I applaud CCC for all the effort they put in to make it such an awesome and accessible event! Maybe they do this already: I'd ask all presenters to prepare slides in English, either as primary, or as a backup. So that the English stream could show the English slides. Hey, I'd even volunteer to help translate!

I may be too used to physics conferences. The German physics society (btw the largest physicists society in the world) has a yearly conference (well, multiple, split by topic), and they tend to be attended by many non-Germans. So many of the talks are in English, especially the main ones. But there are many many parallel session filled with short talks. Many of these are "my first talk at a conference" type of talks, and are in German. That's perfectly OK. That's part of the role of that conference: Every student submission is accepted. Some are good, most are not great, both from content (because you don't present world changing news in a short talk in a parallel session) and style (because giving good talks requires experience). That's all OK, and important. And it's important to lower the stress level by not also requiring English. Of course, as a "grown up", you go there to support your students, to chat and meet colleagues, and it's great for that. But I am also a lot at "higher level" conferences, with a more robust vetting of talks or even only invite only talks. The talk quality is much better. They are 100% in English. So in my brain, I connect "talk is in German" with "everybody can give a talk", and "my-first-talk-ever", but not with "guaranteed super high quality talks".

But CCC has to sort out many talks, AFAIU, so "everybody can give a talk" isn't true.

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by davrosthedalek »

dpassens wrote: post #111
HeckFeck wrote: post #61

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Some thoughts are too complex for English. Three genders means they are always one step ahead of the French. Shunning Latin root words means you can be more efficient. German persists for good reasons.

> Some thoughts are too complex for English. English just adopts all the good German words. Every time I, a native German speaker, have struggled to express something in English it was either because my personal vocabulary was lacking or because of societal differences, never because English is somehow inferior.

And German has adopted all the good English words.

Like Handy (cell phone), Beamer (projector), and body bag (fanny bag).

Oh wait....

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by diggan »

lolinder wrote: post #119
firefax wrote: post #114

>To see our schedule, please either enable JavaScript or go here for our NoJS schedule. Great design. Too often sites force me to temporarily whitelist their JS to get basic info.

This is way better than usual, but still a step down from what could be: just load the NoJS schedule with the initial page load and then replace it with your React app or whatever it is if JS is enabled. You can have the same banner at the top letting people know there's more functionality with JS. The only downside is more info over the wire, but it's not that much more, especially as a fraction of the already-slow…

I'm guessing they, like most websites, try to cater to the most common type of visitor of their website. Most of which has JavaScript enabled, even though I'm sure the percentage of visitors with JS enabled is much much lower than on other websites.

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by diggan »

pantalaimon wrote: post #40
dewey wrote: post #14

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If you are part of a hacker space you could always get tickets through that quite easily. I think it’s great that they are supporting their original core audience like that.

Those hacker spaces only get a limited contingent too, and the hacker space will expect you to help set up their assembly if you get the ticket through them.

I can't help but read your "will expect you to help" part as trying to say something negative. But if they helped you get a ticket, helping them for an hour or two to setup their space feels like the least you could do.

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by davrosthedalek »

mr_mitm wrote: post #92
HeckFeck wrote: post #61

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Some thoughts are too complex for English. Three genders means they are always one step ahead of the French. Shunning Latin root words means you can be more efficient. German persists for good reasons.

Can you give an example of a thought that cannot be expressed in English? That sounds like quite the claim without anything backing it up. I speak fluent German for what it's worth.

For what it's worth, I only have an example for the other way around: Accuracy vs precision. It's "Genauigkeit". But there is a subtle difference in meaning in English that is lost in German without additional explanation.

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by tcfhgj »

davrosthedalek wrote: post #109
CrLf wrote: post #83

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You may want to look into the ideologies of European political parties that have "socialist" in their names, instead of relying on definitions from the Soviet revolution. Socialism in Europe is social democracy. The only difference between "socialist" and "social democratic" parties in Europe is how fractionally close to the right or left side of the center line they are.

For the more central block parties, this is correct. But for many ultra-left and ultra-right parties, this is not necessarily true. There are true Marxist or Stalinist blocks in many of the ultra-left. There are straight-up fascists in the right wing "national socialist" parties.

what is ultra-left?
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