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Re: Matt Mullenweg temporarily shuts down some Wordpress.org functions

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Post by altairprime »

evanelias wrote: post #117
altairprime wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, exactly! No reason for it to collapse into ashes like the Wordpress “I dream of ruling an ecosystem by refusing to charge money” plans will, even if certainly as an old thing it’s old.

You might want to visit https://www.typepad.com/pricing as a logged-out user, and read the entire pop-up (which has been present for 4 years now) before saying that...

I'm aware, but to explain the parent comment for the other readers of the site: Typepad wasn't able to continue operating through one of the dotcom crashes as an independent concern, but their hosting servers and customers were sold intact to another business, which continues to operate the TypePad servers for existing paying customers only.

Re: Matt Mullenweg temporarily shuts down some Wordpress.org functions

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Post by altairprime »

nextworddev wrote: post #31
altairprime wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My working theory is that investors are pulling up ladders now that interest rates are VC-unprofitable, and so either he finds a way to increase growth in profit y-o-y or they bail and let him crash like TypePad did years ago. (Except TypePad had paying customers, so their bandwidth bills weren’t anywhere near the looming threat WP is presumably facing.)

What he’s doing is basically what every cloud provider does but for some reason he is demonized even more

He's openly hostile, though, which is definitely a key difference! (Not an admirable one, but still.)

Re: Matt Mullenweg temporarily shuts down some Wordpress.org functions

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Post by jamwil »

ffsm8 wrote: post #93
Zealotux wrote: post #5

I wish for his sake he had a good friend to take that shovel away from his hands and take him on a long, contemplative, peaceful hike. Money truly can't buy everything.

It mostly can, but you need to be willing to actually buy it ( 人 •͈ ᴗ •͈ )

It can’t buy friendship. That’s the one thing in life that is earned and earned alone.

Re: Matt Mullenweg temporarily shuts down some Wordpress.org functions

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Post by evanelias »

altairprime wrote: post #121
evanelias wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might want to visit https://www.typepad.com/pricing as a logged-out user, and read the entire pop-up (which has been present for 4 years now) before saying that...

I'm aware, but to explain the parent comment for the other readers of the site: Typepad wasn't able to continue operating through one of the dotcom crashes as an independent concern, but their hosting servers and customers were sold intact to another business, which continues to operate the TypePad servers for existing paying customers only.

My point was more re: "refusing to charge money" is an ironic criticism of WP when comparing to Typepad, a service whose owners are outright refusing to accept new paying users... and who have a pop-up directing prospective new users to instead use WordPress hosting on BlueHost (which is owned by the same parent company who bought Typepad).

No new users means Typepad's revenue will only ever shrink, which bodes poorly for the service's future. Having a massive intricate Perl codebase doesn't help either – it was designed to scale relative to aughts-era hardware, for a much larger audience than it currently has. Its future was already bleak in 2010 when Six Apart (its original owner) was acquired by VideoEgg, which came about largely because WordPress/Automattic absolutely won out over Movable Type and Typepad for blogging software market share.

As a former Six Apart employee, I'm glad that Typepad is still around 14 years after all that, but I'd be surprised if it continues to exist for much longer.

Re: Matt Mullenweg temporarily shuts down some Wordpress.org functions

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Post by deepfriedchokes »

pluc wrote: post #14

This is just a play to pretend that WordPress.org is run by volunteers when in truth it's entirely run by Automattic. If it was actually ran by volunteers, he couldn't make any of it stop... because people volunteer their time without being told what to do. I can't wait for him to lose millions of dollars for a hissy fit. It's going to be delicious.

It’s pretty clear that Mullenweg is having a mental health crisis, not a hissy fit.

Let’s not take pleasure in someone destroying their life because they don’t have the support they need.

Re: Matt Mullenweg temporarily shuts down some Wordpress.org functions

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Post by eonmist »

Why is it a conflict at all? Does modifying the software go against the license? They don't have to follow Matt's philosophy. If Matt want to control the use he should have encoded it in the license. Isn't this a classical case of wrongly chosen license and assuming others agree with you on unstated things.

Re: Matt Mullenweg temporarily shuts down some Wordpress.org functions

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Post by dools »

itsdrewmiller wrote: post #90
dools wrote: post #30

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I know it isn't necessarily hacker news standard, but I greatly appreciate when submitters summarize the actual content rather than post vague titles like "What's Next" or "The Real Story" or whatever.

Yeah I don't really give a shit but I find the selectiveness with which this guideline is enforced annoying.

Either get rid of the guideline or enforce it all the time.

The removal of "why" and "how" from the start of titles automatically is also fucking stupid.

Re: Matt Mullenweg temporarily shuts down some Wordpress.org functions

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Post by dools »

kemayo wrote: post #97
dools wrote: post #30

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It's not really editorializing, since that means adding opinions. The HN title is currently a factual summary of the situation, without any particular flavoring. It's not "Matt throws a tantrum, takes toys and goes home" or anything like that. In cases like this where the original post title is pretty useless, I'm in favor of expanding it a bit.

Sure, so the guideline should be changed and should not be selectively enforced.

It's HN's stupidest guideline.

Re: Matt Mullenweg temporarily shuts down some Wordpress.org functions

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Post by TheNewsIsHere »

frereubu wrote: post #34

I run a WordPress agency and I'm absolutely horrified by all of this. It's not cutting through to our clients yet, but building on WordPress suddenly feels incredibly risky when one person can throw their toys out of the pram - the pineapple checkbox is just fucking ridiculous - and derail an entire ecosystem. I really wish there was some kind of mechanism to cut Matt entirely out of WordPress because he deserves to…

Hard agree.

I’ve been chatting to my partners about this, and we aren’t planning to deploy anything net new on WordPress indefinitely.

In one respect it’s a shame to give Matt that power. On the other hand, I can’t control that he’s showing his ass, and I’m not risking my business or client deliverables on an unstable ecosystem.

Re: Matt Mullenweg temporarily shuts down some Wordpress.org functions

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Post by arielcostas »

nolok wrote: post #108
arielcostas wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Except the injunction was against .com, not the .org Against .com (Automattic) and .org (Mullenweg as an individual) > Part of the case is that he is muddying the water on purpose and the separation in two entities Three, actually: WordPress Foundation, Automattic Inc., and Matt Mullenweg (as an individual)

Ah yes, you're right, I meant "was against the .com not the foundation" but even I got confused ...

Which is the whole point: there is no actual, clear, separation between Mullenweg's person, Automattic and the WP Foundation
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