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Nokia 5110 – Back from the Dead (2022)

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Re: Nokia 5110 – Back from the Dead (2022)

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Post by ajford »

jtbayly wrote: post #115
jcul wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I bought a Nokia 2660. After probably a month or so the hinge brackets broke from normal use. Nokia refused to refund / repair it saying that only a drop could have caused it. I replaced it with an AGM M8 which is a great dumbphone.

Can you use the M8 on carriers other than T-Mobile? I’m seeing several places that say T-mobile only.

Haven't used the M8, but I just set up an AGM M9 on Mint Mobile two days ago.

That said, that's kinda cheating since Mint is a T-Mobile MVNO and I haven't tried it outside my usual T-Mobile service area.

Re: Nokia 5110 – Back from the Dead (2022)

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Post by jaidan »

neilv wrote: post #109
wholinator2 wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about a dumb phone ensure that call quality is terrible? Could you not have found a better dumbphone if you really wanted to stay with it?

I spent some time looking. There were some pricey "designer" ones, but they generally got poor reviews. Maybe it's easier to do a design-school exercise, than to get the phone guts engineering right. Also, mandatory VoLTE eliminated a lot of high-quality legacy devices that would've worked fine.

Why not consider a smart phone that has good hardware, supports VoLTE and doesn't use Android or Apple? I've been daily driving a Furi FLX1 for over a month now. You can make it as smart or dumb as you like and you can even use it to charge another phone!

Re: Nokia 5110 – Back from the Dead (2022)

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Post by wkat4242 »

wolrah wrote: post #95
numpad0 wrote: post #55

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No, it's like reusing keyboard and monitor for a new PC. This phone uses those parts fully separated from the computer part that the author argues it should be possible to remake just the host computer part to recreate the experience. 4G doesn't even have a proper voice call support, and substitutes that with a carrier grade Discord type thing called VoLTE(oversimplification). Zero chance old firmware could work.

> 4G doesn't even have a proper voice call support, and substitutes that with a carrier grade Discord type thing called VoLTE(oversimplification). That "carrier grade Discord type thing" is more or less standard SIP VoIP, just over a prioritized data channel similar to how DOCSIS has PacketCable which is more or less MGCP VoIP over a prioritized data channel. It's absolutely proper voice call support, the majority of…

It's not proper call support because the standardisation is a mess. Some carriers don't even support it until now, many refuse to allow it on phones they did not sell etc.

It should have been in the standard from the get go, strictly defined so there's no different standards to check and certify. They should all work the same so there's no need for that.

The lack of standardisation is causing huge problems in countries deprecating 2G and 3G like Australia where people have to throw away perfectly good phones because they're not VoLTE capable according to their provider (and the government mandating that phones without voice service must be banned)

Just like 2G and 3G.

Re: Nokia 5110 – Back from the Dead (2022)

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Post by wkat4242 »

sourcepluck wrote: post #119
Syonyk wrote: post #118

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There are some carrier unlocked versions available. Or at least used to be. They seem pretty universal - I'm running a T-Mobile one on an AT&T MVNO right now, and it wasn't too big a hassle to set up. Unfortunately, I think these are nearing end of production, supplies seem to be limited lately.

I think it's a tad risky, as in, if I've an issue, returning it is an extra effort. Plus I'd be paying a fair bit extra for postage in the first place. I think the best bet for me over here (Ireland) is to research the CAT phone that is dumb enough and not too expensive. E.g., the CAT B26, for example, looks promising https://www.productindetail.com/pm/cat-b26

Be careful. CAT phones were made by Bullitt which went bankrupt early this year. Forget about support.

https://www.androidpolice.com/bullitt-say-goodbye-to-rugged-...

Re: Nokia 5110 – Back from the Dead (2022)

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Post by upofadown »

aziaziazi wrote: post #101
upofadown wrote: post #98

I think that you would still end up with the inferior battery life of 4G. That was the killer feature of those phones. Our technology seems to have degraded in that regard over the years.

4G drain faster our batteries but we also now download multiple orders of magnitude more data than we used to with the 5110 (I count voice call as "data"). Videos and advertisements being the usual suspects… Battery would probably last a lot more if I only play snakes and use the phone app.

Twice as long in practice. But that still only gets you 2 days or so.

Re: Nokia 5110 – Back from the Dead (2022)

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Post by wkat4242 »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #105

Bring back the 9210!

It was really not a great phone. It was a really quirky combo of an organiser and a phone that didn't have much of a coupling between them. The keyboard was heavy to press and useless to type more than a line or two.

It was really the worst of both worlds.

Re: Nokia 5110 – Back from the Dead (2022)

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

wholinator2 wrote: post #107
kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #91

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Corporate quality standards only work if a company is MBA-proof. Something no western company can withstand. Sooner or later, a financial genius will point out the margins that can be made on white label products and it snowballs.

I'm curious what would need to change to fix this? Because enshittification has become so ubiquitous and terrible that it's in the dictionary now. Is it regulation? Antitrust? Obliterate every board and private equity firm? There must be an actionable set of steps out of this because we had to have stepped into it somehow

Unconventional corporate srructures are the only possibility. Co-ops that empower rank and file employees is one way to keep the financial engineers from raiding the henhouse.

Having a leader who isn't driven by lust for profit helps a bunch. Sam Walton was that way and Chouinard of Patagonia has tried to build an ethical legacy through a trust. Walton failed. It remains to be seen if Chouinard does the same.

Re: Nokia 5110 – Back from the Dead (2022)

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Post by pfych »

It's a shame that even if OP did complete this project the phone would likely not work in Australia where their based post 3G shutdown! The government mandates that telcos block all phones that cannot make VoLTE emergency calls, and instead of figuring out how to do this, the telcos maintain a whitelist of phones. This has led to a large amount of even modern 4G & 5G phones getting bricked[^1].

[^1]: https://medium.com/@jamesdwho/australias-3g-shutdown-why-you...

Re: Nokia 5110 – Back from the Dead (2022)

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Post by wodenokoto »

rob74 wrote: post #13

> While the Memes generally refer to the 3210 or the 3310, the classic 5110 is no less a condender for most robust general use mobile phone available. The reason for that (I think) is not that the 5110 is less robust, but that the 3210 and 3310 were much more widespread - they came onto the market when mobile phones really started to become widespread, while the 5110 (their predecessor), with its stub antenna and bul…

At the height of Nokia, nearly half of all cell phones worldwide was Nokia phones with 3210 and 3310 being the most popular models by far.

With stats like that, it is no wonder that Nokia leadership thought they had cell phones figured out and ended up completely oblivious to the challenge the iPhone presented.

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