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Re: Nyxt: The Hacker's Browser

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Post by sam_lowry_ »

Bigie wrote: post #78

I've used this browser for a long time. At first, it was very promising, but later on, I found it quite distracting when I needed to work, so I had to give up. If you enjoy the vim-style feel of operation, you might want to try this browser's extension, as it can accommodate your habits along with normal web browsing. Of course, I still hope that the browser can improve, and I will try downloading it again to use for…

I am using Vimium all the time. It's so ingrained in my muscle memory that I do not remember the key combinations anymore.

Re: Nyxt: The Hacker's Browser

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Post by dartos »

codingdave wrote: post #117
tsukurimashou wrote: post #92

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its a productivity thing, would you rather type text with a physical keyboard or would you rather use a virtual keyboard and mouse? you can miss more easily with a mouse and have to adjust the position of the cursor to line up on two axis before any action

That is a really biased way to spin things. Of course virtual keyboards are the worst of both worlds. And lining up a mouse on multiple axes is just an odd way to look at it -- on a keyboard you need to line up your fingertip on three axes for every keystroke, if you are wanting to go to that level of detail.

I don’t think it’s very biased.

When using a mouse you need to completely move your hand to another device, and aim that device at an arbitrary position.

With a keyboard the positions you move your fingers are fixed and because of that, you can develop muscle memory and type very quickly without thinking about where to move your fingers. It’s called “touch typing.”

There’s no such thing for using a mouse since the target position of the mouse movement can vary wildly from website to website and can vary based on the position of a given window.

Re: Nyxt: The Hacker's Browser

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Post by gcanyon »

anonzzzies wrote: post #107
lll-o-lll wrote: post #56

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Even outside of the “hacker” community, keyboard has always been associated with higher expertise. Average “MS Word” user - Navigate through various menus to find what they want to do. Power Users - Memorized all the “shortcuts”. I think that’s mostly what it is. A keyboard (and a bunch of memorizing), gives mastery over the applications UI.

I still miss Wordperfect for that reason: messing around with Word wysiwyg, even with people who have decades of experience, is just painful to watch or do.

WordStar!!! :-) I wrote two novels in that thing.

Re: Nyxt: The Hacker's Browser

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Post by dartos »

kstenerud wrote: post #101
tsukurimashou wrote: post #92

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its a productivity thing, would you rather type text with a physical keyboard or would you rather use a virtual keyboard and mouse? you can miss more easily with a mouse and have to adjust the position of the cursor to line up on two axis before any action

That's a false dichotomy. I'd rather have a physical keyboard and a physical mouse (or touchpad). The "line up the two axis" thing is immaterial, and has no practical impact on actual productivity.

Minimal impact and no impact different.

“Line up the two axes” was kind of a silly way to put it, but the position you aim your cursor varies quite often, but where you type on a keyboard doesn’t.

You can develop muscle memory for the latter. It’s why hotkeys are so widely used.

Re: Nyxt: The Hacker's Browser

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Post by codingdave »

dartos wrote: post #122
codingdave wrote: post #117

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That is a really biased way to spin things. Of course virtual keyboards are the worst of both worlds. And lining up a mouse on multiple axes is just an odd way to look at it -- on a keyboard you need to line up your fingertip on three axes for every keystroke, if you are wanting to go to that level of detail.

I don’t think it’s very biased. When using a mouse you need to completely move your hand to another device, and aim that device at an arbitrary position. With a keyboard the positions you move your fingers are fixed and because of that, you can develop muscle memory and type very quickly without thinking about where to move your fingers. It’s called “touch typing.” There’s no such thing for using a mouse since the ta…

Using a mouse is completely natural if you do it often. So is using a pen on a tablet. Whatever you use, you get so used to it that is it an extension of your own hands or whatever you use to control input. Your own bias is showing in the assumption that you can develop muscle memory for keys but not other input devices, or that because links are in different places, the mouse becomes cumbersome.

Re: Nyxt: The Hacker's Browser

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Post by jorvi »

dartos wrote: post #122
codingdave wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is a really biased way to spin things. Of course virtual keyboards are the worst of both worlds. And lining up a mouse on multiple axes is just an odd way to look at it -- on a keyboard you need to line up your fingertip on three axes for every keystroke, if you are wanting to go to that level of detail.

I don’t think it’s very biased. When using a mouse you need to completely move your hand to another device, and aim that device at an arbitrary position. With a keyboard the positions you move your fingers are fixed and because of that, you can develop muscle memory and type very quickly without thinking about where to move your fingers. It’s called “touch typing.” There’s no such thing for using a mouse since the ta…

Touchpads exist.

A mouse (or rather, a floating cursor) is often a much more efficient way to get your cursor in position than slamming your arrow or hjkl keys multiple dozens of times.

Re: Nyxt: The Hacker's Browser

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Post by dartos »

jorvi wrote: post #126
dartos wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think it’s very biased. When using a mouse you need to completely move your hand to another device, and aim that device at an arbitrary position. With a keyboard the positions you move your fingers are fixed and because of that, you can develop muscle memory and type very quickly without thinking about where to move your fingers. It’s called “touch typing.” There’s no such thing for using a mouse since the ta…

Touchpads exist. A mouse (or rather, a floating cursor) is often a much more efficient way to get your cursor in position than slamming your arrow or hjkl keys multiple dozens of times.

Touchpads don’t solve for muscle memory for the same reasons mouses don’t.

And yeah, of course. Most people who use keyboard based workflows dont just use hjkl to move a cursor around. In vim, for example, there are many more text-centric ways of moving around a document.

Using a keyboard is generally much faster. Try using your daily code editor without any hot keys at all. No F5, no Ctrl-s, none of that.

Re: Nyxt: The Hacker's Browser

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Post by dartos »

codingdave wrote: post #125
dartos wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think it’s very biased. When using a mouse you need to completely move your hand to another device, and aim that device at an arbitrary position. With a keyboard the positions you move your fingers are fixed and because of that, you can develop muscle memory and type very quickly without thinking about where to move your fingers. It’s called “touch typing.” There’s no such thing for using a mouse since the ta…

Using a mouse is completely natural if you do it often. So is using a pen on a tablet. Whatever you use, you get so used to it that is it an extension of your own hands or whatever you use to control input. Your own bias is showing in the assumption that you can develop muscle memory for keys but not other input devices, or that because links are in different places, the mouse becomes cumbersome.

You can’t develop muscle memory when your target movement isn’t the same.

Using a mouse is natural as in intuitive. You don’t need to really tech someone to use a mouse. It’s easy in that way.

But that’s not the same as muscle memory. Using my hands is very natural, but when learning guitar, I still need to be conscious of what position my hand is going to be in. After a while, since my hand is constantly going to the exact same position, I develop muscle memory and no longer need to be conscious of where my hand is going.

I feel like I shouldn’t need to explain muscle memory with analogy.

Re: Nyxt: The Hacker's Browser

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Post by anonzzzies »

codingdave wrote: post #118
anonzzzies wrote: post #106

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Not sure why arguing is needed? You like a mouse, I think it sucks. If we meet up, we can trivially measure what is faster. What is there to argue?

Or we can not measure which is faster and just respect that everyone has their own preferences.

Also fine :)) Just no need to argue about it.

Re: Nyxt: The Hacker's Browser

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Post by ethagnawl »

guerrilla wrote: post #74
jolmg wrote: post #72

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Yes, but they're trying to add a Chrome-based one: https://github.com/atlas-engineer/nyxt/issues/2989 They have this repo for Common Lisp bindings to QtWebEngine, but it's been archived: https://github.com/atlas-engineer/cl-webengine Seems they're currently trying Electron: https://github.com/atlas-engineer/cl-electron

Oh, that's disappointing. I want this on Gecko, to support the competition and get away from Firefox's increasingly user-unfriendly UI.

Have you checked out Zen?

https://zen-browser.app/

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