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DuckDuckGo donates $25k to the Perl and Raku Foundation

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Re: DuckDuckGo donates $25k to the Perl and Raku Foundation

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Post by sigzero »

_swfb wrote: post #40

I always forget that DDG is written with Perl, even after I emailed yegg a million years ago asking why they used Perl, and he responded back, which was nice of him. I hear Raku is fun, I haven't used it, but I sort of swore a soft oath that I would never touch Perl again about a decade ago after having to debug some regex magic someone did. I'm assuming that once you get past the "hump", Perl becomes fun?

Raku is Perl on steroids "basically". It is still pretty slow the last I read something on it. I always enjoyed Perl even as a beginner.

Re: DuckDuckGo donates $25k to the Perl and Raku Foundation

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Post by SushiHippie »

_swfb wrote: post #110
SushiHippie wrote: post #109

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Amazing, thanks for sharing! What year was this? (I'm Curious, as you mentioned 2012 was the last year you used at the time of the E-Mail)

It's actually more recent than I thought, looks like it was 2018. I would have sworn it was earlier but I can see the "sent" timestamp on ProtonMail.

2018 is still a long time ago, so that's totally understandable haha

Thank you!

Re: DuckDuckGo donates $25k to the Perl and Raku Foundation

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Post by Philadelphia »

psunavy03 wrote: post #93
that_guy_iain wrote: post #67

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I think a lot of companies are kind of realising the tech stack they use has a bigger impact on hiring than salaries. I believe banks are encountering this issue with no one wanting to do C++ anymore.

The next 15-20 years are going to be entertaining as the world finally runs out of COBOL developers.

It’s not really that hard to make new ones.

Re: DuckDuckGo donates $25k to the Perl and Raku Foundation

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Post by markstos »

gspencley wrote: post #16
dweekly wrote: post #6

A: This is great! Perl is much maligned but a fantastic Swiss army chainsaw and still runs so much critical infrastructure. B: I find it concerning that $25k is a notable donation; is the Foundation doing that poorly? I would have hoped this number to have two more digits in it for it to be a front page worthy item.

I'm surprised to learn that Perl is still used. Obviously there will always be legacy code to maintain but these days I can't even remember the last time Perl was mentioned in casual conversation amongst my peers unless we're sharing war stories from the 90s. These days when we find ourselves needing to write a script our first go-to would be bash, and if we need more features or if it's going to be complex enough to…

DuckDuckGo is written in Perl. As a business decision, it's cheaper to keep Perl working then replace it.

Re: DuckDuckGo donates $25k to the Perl and Raku Foundation

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Post by cardanome »

rglullis wrote: post #46
dweekly wrote: post #6

A: This is great! Perl is much maligned but a fantastic Swiss army chainsaw and still runs so much critical infrastructure. B: I find it concerning that $25k is a notable donation; is the Foundation doing that poorly? I would have hoped this number to have two more digits in it for it to be a front page worthy item.

It is mind boggling how much funding there would be for the Gimp/Krita/Inkscape/Penpot developers if every designer gave them 5% of what they give to Adobe.

They kind of suck at asking for donations.

Look at Wikipedia. They are grossly OVER-funded, they have more money they could ever need in fact And they run purely on donations.

I always wanted to donate for Firefox but they don't offer me an option to do so.

Or look at Gimp: https://www.gimp.org/donating/

Not clear call to action. Lot's of confusion options. Not the best marketing.

Re: DuckDuckGo donates $25k to the Perl and Raku Foundation

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Post by soygem »

miohtama wrote: post #79
rglullis wrote: post #46

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It is mind boggling how much funding there would be for the Gimp/Krita/Inkscape/Penpot developers if every designer gave them 5% of what they give to Adobe.

This is correct and sad. Open source would be much better with sustainable funding models. But hard to see how this could happen in SaaS dominated modern world.

It would be better off if people stopped using cuckold licenses like MIT, instead of GPL and its various strains.

Re: DuckDuckGo donates $25k to the Perl and Raku Foundation

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Post by elashri »

orev wrote: post #120
benatkin wrote: post #108

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Not a good enough reason for me to go back to using Facebook regularly. For others, sure.

There’s no requirement to be actively reading and posting to Facebook in order to use Marketplace.

I think a good chunk of people would be worried to buy/sell from/to an account with little to no activity at all. This is very strong signal of low effort spam already common on FB Marketplace.

Re: DuckDuckGo donates $25k to the Perl and Raku Foundation

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Post by samus »

jefftk wrote: post #97
samus wrote: post #84

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Their use doesn't, but from time to time they send in bug reports and feature requests, don't they? Where do you draw the line between extending your project and providing free labor to a for-profit company? Fixing bugs is less controversial, while finding solutions to issues arising in bespoke production environments, with short deadlines, is grueling work for which companies are usually gladly purchasing support co…

> Where do you draw the line between extending your project and providing free labor to a for-profit company? I work on my various projects to the extent that it is fun. If it stops being fun, I don't do it. Making something broadly useful is generally more fun than helping someone with a one-off thing, though that is not my decision criteria. If someone wants me to do something that isn't fun, they can offer me mone…

If you put in work only to the extend that it's fun, then it is probably something with very clearly delineated scope (kudos for sticking to that!) or not really one of the projects that are so critical that companies should be expected to chip in money for support.

Re: DuckDuckGo donates $25k to the Perl and Raku Foundation

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Post by rurban »

gtirloni wrote: post #20
pjmlp wrote: post #5

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Regardless of its fame, it is a worthy tool on UNIX environments, even nowadays.

It's an absolute technical liability to build anything new in Perl these days.

It's more of a technical liability to write anything new in Python. All of my old perl code still runs fine, all of my python code went unusable since. It's also extremely bloated.

Re: DuckDuckGo donates $25k to the Perl and Raku Foundation

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Post by robertlagrant »

mardifoufs wrote: post #80
nu11ptr wrote: post #68

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100%. This new trend of maintaining or starting an open source project and then getting upset when people don't send you money is seriously weird. If you want compensation, start a company, otherwise consider anything you receive a gift.

Yeah, though I have sympathies for single devs or projects like perl that are obviously non profit. Like, I get the frustrations for actual volunteers and people who survive on building OSS at a small scale. What really annoys me is when someone decides to build a corporation around an open source project, and then you get the usual blog post around users not paying or OSS not being sustainable. Yes, using OSS as you…

The problem is, if their software had cost what it needed to from the start then that would've put it in a totally different competition with other companies. Bypassing that competition doesn't mean they can suddenly start complaining about how many customers they have vs how much they get.
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