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London's 850-year-old food markets to close

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Re: London's 850-year-old food markets to close

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Post by asveikau »

wbl wrote: post #107
jayelbe wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Mayor of London doesn't have any power over the City of London Corporation. They are completely separate authorities. The Corporation is essentially a unitary/borough-tier local authority, overseeing the "square mile" centre of the city, and has a council of elected councilmen. It provides housing, education, social services, street cleaning, markets etc for a small area of central London, and has existed since t…

Not to be confused with the Lord Mayor of London.

I think a lot of people who don't know much about London are surprised that the City of London is quite small and not what people generally mean when they say "London".

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Post by BehindBlueEyes »

lpribis wrote: post #115
hnbear wrote: post #24

Statement from the City of London Corporation which is closing them down: > Chris Hayward, policy chairman of the City of London Corporation, said the > decision represented a "positive new chapter" for the markets as it "empowers > traders to build a sustainable future in premises that align with their > long-term business goals". This is a great statement. Like firing people to free them up to find jobs that better…

After translation via https://www.bullshitremover.com/ : > "Positive new chapter" = "We're closing this place down". > "Empower traders" = "Kick them out". > "Sustainable future" = "Nowhere to go". > "Financial support and guidance" = "Good luck, you're on your own". > "Unlock the huge potential" = "We'll figure something out, maybe".

no no > "Unlock the huge potential" = "We have big money with big self serving plans coming in."

tldr from bsremover too:

Smithfield: Big meat market, been there since 1860s. Billingsgate: Huge fish market, been there since 1327, now moving to make way for homes.

So a real state take over, pretty much?

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Post by Symbiote »

Hilift wrote: post #117
roughly wrote: post #56

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Christ, yeah - I came here to post the same quote. What kind of horrific shit does one need to go through in life to become capable of uttering that kind of horseshit with a straight face?

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This is completely incorrect, please don't spread culture-war lies on HN.

The £12.50 charge is for old, polluting cars.

Petrol cars made since around 2005 are exempt, and diesel cars since 2015. Vans from ~2006 and 2016 respectively.

https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emission-zone/car...

Re: London's 850-year-old food markets to close

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Post by pjbster »

qingcharles wrote: post #69
walrus01 wrote: post #51

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> the local government authority for the City of London, which is only the part of London that is within the walls of Roman Londinium Also known as the most efficient and high volume money laundering machine ever devised by man. Do a deep dive into russian oligarch money and the City of London, from reputable journalism sources, and you won't like what you find. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/03/28/how-putin…

The City of London (aka the Square Mile) is literally a world unto itself. Even the Mayor of London is not the mayor of the City of London. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_London

I recommend the book Treasure Islands by Nicholas Shaxson. It covers offshore tax havens and the central role played by the City in facilitating capital flight and tax avoidance. Chapter 12 is devoted entirely to the City of London Corporation.

Haven't read it for a while but I do recall the word "strange" appearing a lot.

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Post by actionfromafar »

cjrp wrote: post #90
qingcharles wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The City of London (aka the Square Mile) is literally a world unto itself. Even the Mayor of London is not the mayor of the City of London. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_London

Separate police force too.

And in elections, corporations have a vote. Corporation votes vastly outnumber human resident votes.

Re: London's 850-year-old food markets to close

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Post by richardjennings »

Symbiote wrote: post #123
Hilift wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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This is completely incorrect, please don't spread culture-war lies on HN. The £12.50 charge is for old, polluting cars. Petrol cars made since around 2005 are exempt, and diesel cars since 2015. Vans from ~2006 and 2016 respectively. https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emission-zone/car...

> The £12.50 charge is for old, polluting cars.

It can apply to cars with a £0 VED that were built less than 10 years ago.

Re: London's 850-year-old food markets to close

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Post by tempusalaria »

walterbell wrote: post #8

Need a City quant PhD to invent a mathematical analog of Black-Scholes [1] for pricing and trading the irreplaceable value of culturally significant physical spaces to future generations. Then City-like [2] institutions can compete financially for ongoing preservation rights, rather than a one-time chop shop auction. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black%E2%80%93Scholes_model [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_…

The reality is that these are not culturally significant institutions and most people in London don’t care. Ordinary Londoners rarely use these markets, and they mostly sell to restaurants, and require major financial support.

Not everything from the past is good. We don’t still run coal power plants in London just to get that historic smog.

They were already planning to move both markets way out of central London (to a place no-one but a local would ever go) this is just changing it to not providing a new site.

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Post by zzbn00 »

philipwhiuk wrote: post #49
labster wrote: post #46

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Why stop there? Why not revoke the City’s charter altogether?

The City of London isn't legally reliant on a charter. It draws existence from 'Time Immemorial'. Specifically it exists because it existed before 1189

This is a good and subtle point of law -- The City of London is a corporation "by prescription".

But while it was created by neither statue nor royal charter, I doubt the parliament could not end it if it so decided....

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Post by dghf »

jayelbe wrote: post #99
randomcarbloke wrote: post #94

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the ruling comes from up-on-high the mayor of London who does have some oversight over the city of london, and the transit of traders that utilise the market. Gotta hit those eco numbers.

The Mayor of London doesn't have any power over the City of London Corporation. They are completely separate authorities. The Corporation is essentially a unitary/borough-tier local authority, overseeing the "square mile" centre of the city, and has a council of elected councilmen. It provides housing, education, social services, street cleaning, markets etc for a small area of central London, and has existed since t…

Fun fact, the City of London is the last local authority in the UK where businesses as well residents get to vote. Businesses can appoint one voter for every five employees up to 50, and then one per 50 employees after that.

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Post by surfingdino »

BehindBlueEyes wrote: post #122
lpribis wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After translation via https://www.bullshitremover.com/ : > "Positive new chapter" = "We're closing this place down". > "Empower traders" = "Kick them out". > "Sustainable future" = "Nowhere to go". > "Financial support and guidance" = "Good luck, you're on your own". > "Unlock the huge potential" = "We'll figure something out, maybe".

no no > "Unlock the huge potential" = "We have big money with big self serving plans coming in." tldr from bsremover too: Smithfield: Big meat market, been there since 1860s. Billingsgate: Huge fish market, been there since 1327, now moving to make way for homes. So a real state take over, pretty much?

Yes. Canary Wharf is being transformed from a purely financial district into a mixed business-residential district. They want to move noisy and smelly businesses away from the offices and apartments.
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