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Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by Tempest1981 »

kybernetikos wrote: post #62
peppertree wrote: post #15

I suspect the biggest factor is speed. After getting used to EV for over a year, every ICE vehicle feels painfully sluggish and slow. If that's the case I'm curious to see how the numbers compare to other EVs.

The worst 23 models according to the study are here: https://www.iseecars.com/most-dangerous-cars-study#v=2024 I'm not sure which of them are evs, but you could work it out fairly easily. Even if many of them are, it still looks to me like tesla is doing poorly by this metric.

None of the others are EVs, except maybe a small % of Kia Souls

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by bastloing »

willsoon wrote: post #91
geysersam wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They bought a president. That's not nothing.

Perhaps Musk needs to come to terms with the fact that the Teslas are not so safe. Maybe he needs to come to terms with the fact that his successful business model does not include customer satisfaction at all. Elon, just cope.

I wonder how crash safety ratings compare with a Tesla and a Kia, for example.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by skybrian »

Petersipoi wrote: post #68
phony-account wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Teslas can go fast real fast, so naively this is the result I would expect given how they have filtered the data. In other words, unless they controlled for this… Explain to me why you would want to filter out fatalities caused by going “real fast”?

Because comparing the fatality rate of a Corolla going 50mph and a Tesla going 90mph is useless to a person who wants a car that is safe when driven responsibly.

It seems fair to say that it's difficult to control for variation due to the drivers being different. But I don't think giving faster cars a better rating is a good way to control for that. Faster seems more dangerous for other reasons.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by sombrero_john »

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote: post #106

I remember some car collision data that showed that men were more likely to get into any collision and women were more likely to get into a fatal collision. A comment I read about the study suggested the conclusion that men take more risks while women take bigger risks. It's interesting to think in that context about this. Could Tesla drivers be taking bigger risks because they think the car's software will save them…

> A comment I read about the study suggested the conclusion that men take more risks while women take bigger risks.

Or women's weaker musculoskeletal systems provide less protection against blunt force trauma?

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by r00fus »

kybernetikos wrote: post #62
peppertree wrote: post #15

I suspect the biggest factor is speed. After getting used to EV for over a year, every ICE vehicle feels painfully sluggish and slow. If that's the case I'm curious to see how the numbers compare to other EVs.

The worst 23 models according to the study are here: https://www.iseecars.com/most-dangerous-cars-study#v=2024 I'm not sure which of them are evs, but you could work it out fairly easily. Even if many of them are, it still looks to me like tesla is doing poorly by this metric.

Mostly non-EVs. In fact the only EVs are both Tesla.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by bongodongobob »

notyourwork wrote: post #117
Koala_ice wrote: post #14

I thoroughyl expect the Deparment of Government Efficiency to recommend U.S. Fatality Analysis Reporting System (FARS) be shut down to save previous taxpayer dollars.

Am I the only one that is not excited about the next four years being constant banter of this nature? I loathe it. Nothing personal against your comment but the new administration hasn't even gone into office and I cannot get away from this.

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Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by yumraj »

> “The models on this list likely reflect a combination of driver behavior and driving conditions, leading to increased crashes and fatalities,”

I’m assuming the driver behavior also includes relying on the half baked auto pilot/FSD features.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by SamoyedFurFluff »

nomel wrote: post #73
afavour wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think a lot of people would be happy to use it if it was convenient and reliable. I live in NYC and haven’t had to drive to/from work in over a decade. I consider the subway ride a vast, vast improvement over driving… but only when the subway works right.

The vast majority of people I talk to, including myself, don't use public transportation for: 1. Time. For example, my commute is 25 minutes, but 2 hours ride and three mile walk by public transport. 2. Safety, intimately tied to the homeless problem. 3. Cleanliness. In my experience, related to #2, and the fact that government institutions are incapable of caring about user experience, because they get funding regar…

I just think you have shite public transport, mate. I can’t imagine anywhere in nyc you’d have to walk 3 mi to get anywhere??

Sure if I said public transport is strictly superior because I drive a car that breaks down constantly, you’d see the problems not cars, yeah?

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by more_corn »

Koala_ice wrote: post #14

I thoroughyl expect the Deparment of Government Efficiency to recommend U.S. Fatality Analysis Reporting System (FARS) be shut down to save previous taxpayer dollars.

Agreed. This seems like just the sort of government waste that department has been created to eliminate.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

notyourwork wrote: post #117
Koala_ice wrote: post #14

I thoroughyl expect the Deparment of Government Efficiency to recommend U.S. Fatality Analysis Reporting System (FARS) be shut down to save previous taxpayer dollars.

Am I the only one that is not excited about the next four years being constant banter of this nature? I loathe it. Nothing personal against your comment but the new administration hasn't even gone into office and I cannot get away from this.

They have already announced what they are going to do, with the pro-Trump side saying he's not serious or will mellow out the plan before he takes office, and the anti-Trump side saying he will do exactly what he says he's going to do.

Basically a repeat of 2016.

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