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Salary expectations questions – How should you answer them? (2020)

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Re: Salary expectations questions – How should you answer them? (2020)

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Post by scarface_74 »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #76
lolinder wrote: post #41

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Presumably we're talking about remote roles here, in which case this is nonsense. A Zurich developer is not worth more in a remote role than a developer in Warsaw. The only reason large cities have inflated salaries is because that's what you have to pay someone for them to live within range of your fancy office. If it's a remote role anyway, the companies that aren't out to exploit you will pay the same salary band…

Companies aren't moving to Warsaw to find the best talent in the world. That talent is mostly already in the super expensive tech hubs where the top software companies have flourished for decades and cross-pollinated creating a supply of experienced talent in the area. It's much more easy to find an experienced tech lead even remotely, around London or SF, than say in some village in Bulgaria or Poland because no F50…

Let’s be honest, you don’t need the best talent to build yet another SaaS CRUD app or most of the maintenance work done in BigTech.

Re: Salary expectations questions – How should you answer them? (2020)

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Post by scarface_74 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #24
phil21 wrote: post #17

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Lying about this these days seems rather risky to me. Some employers may not care, but some will. The Worknumber product from ADP (and it's equiv from Paychex) covers a vast range of white collar employees. Perhaps most. Your new employer has a very good chance of seeing precisely what your current salary is down to the paycheck level going back years to even verify raises and title changes. Replying with what you re…

> Lying about this these days seems rather risky to me. Some employers may not care, but some will It doesn’t have to be a lie. Between base salary and the value of benefits (and expected value of equity) you have a wide range of where you can answer what you’re paid, what your compensation is, what your “take home” is (what does that even mean if you’re W-2 and 1099?), et cetera .

Let’s be real. Statistically the value of equity in a startup is $0

Re: Salary expectations questions – How should you answer them? (2020)

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Post by TeaBrain »

phil21 wrote: post #17
romanows wrote: post #16

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That's fascinating, I wonder why that suggestion would be any more dangeous than any other advice. Too bad she didn't just put in a footnote describing why she can't suggest asking for 10% more.

Lying about this these days seems rather risky to me. Some employers may not care, but some will. The Worknumber product from ADP (and it's equiv from Paychex) covers a vast range of white collar employees. Perhaps most. Your new employer has a very good chance of seeing precisely what your current salary is down to the paycheck level going back years to even verify raises and title changes. Replying with what you re…

Work Number is from Equifax. ADP's similar product is called Smart Compliance.

Re: Salary expectations questions – How should you answer them? (2020)

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Post by throwaway2037 »

voytec wrote: post #30
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #23

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>Pointing out 20+ years of experience and listing accomplishments seems less important for a lot of businesses, than paying as little as possible. If paying as little as possible wasn't that important to them, they wouldn't be hiring in Warsaw in the first place, but in the Bay Area, Seattle, Zurich, London, Sydney, etc

I'm not interacting with companies seeking cheap labor in Poland - like Intel. Despite their quite active recruiters, all conversations with whom end up at "company policy doesn't allow me to discuss salary range". I've set up a small business with EU tax id over a decade ago and I'm issuing invoices to European countries (EU and Schengen) and North America. It's a trade-off of giving up European employment safety, p…

Giving up pension? Does that make good financial sense? I hear this a lot from people under 40, then they have an "oh shit" moment after 60 and regret it.

Re: Salary expectations questions – How should you answer them? (2020)

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Post by SoftTalker »

reaperducer wrote: post #81
AlotOfReading wrote: post #15

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A former employer did 40% bonuses. It made for a nice holiday surprise even when they decided "the company didn't meet expectations" and gave everyone half bonus. Eventually they decided to "align with market expectations" and coincidentally started hemorrhaging staff.

Eventually they decided to "align with market expectations" and coincidentally started hemorrhaging staff. At my fist full-time job out of college (non-tech), the company gave everyone an extra paycheck as a Christmas bonus. The next year, everyone got half a paycheck as a Christmas bonus. The next year, everyone got a spiral-sliced ham as a Christmas bonus. Before the following Christmas came around, the majority of…

Let me guess: the year after that it was a jelly-of-the-month club. The gift that keeps on giving the whole year.

Re: Salary expectations questions – How should you answer them? (2020)

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Post by paulddraper »

Thorrez wrote: post #53
paulddraper wrote: post #33

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Because it helps you position the offer, and emphasize/sell certain parts. Salary, equity, title, working hours, etc. More information always helps.

Fargren is asking why a recruiter would want to to withhold information. Your answer is "More information always helps." That doesn't answer the question.

They are asking why the information is shared in that order.

Re: Salary expectations questions – How should you answer them? (2020)

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Post by 1123581321 »

scarface_74 wrote: post #103
1123581321 wrote: post #96

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The thing is, they won’t get the placement if they don’t push to get a $220k offer and the other recruiter does. It’s competitive. It’s a better model than real estate because you aren’t agreed to work with one recruiter.

But only one recruiter is going to be placing you at that job. Two recruiters trying to place you at the same job is radioactive to the company. The company has to decide who gets the referral money. Lawsuits start happening for the one who doesn’t get referral money. Also most companies who do work with external recruiters only work with one company

True. I was thinking of how you have 2-3 recruiters trying to get you offers at different companies that are mostly equivalent.

Re: Salary expectations questions – How should you answer them? (2020)

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Post by scarface_74 »

1123581321 wrote: post #128
scarface_74 wrote: post #103

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But only one recruiter is going to be placing you at that job. Two recruiters trying to place you at the same job is radioactive to the company. The company has to decide who gets the referral money. Lawsuits start happening for the one who doesn’t get referral money. Also most companies who do work with external recruiters only work with one company

True. I was thinking of how you have 2-3 recruiters trying to get you offers at different companies that are mostly equivalent.

Have you seen the market since 2022?

I’ve been in software development since 1996 and looked for a job in 1999, 2001 (took a counteroffer), 2008, 2012, 2014, 2016, 2018, 2023 and a month ago. My job in BigTech in 2020 fell in my lap.

I have never seen a job market this bad. Even in 2000, as a regular old Windows developer I could easily find a standard enterprise job.

My only saving grace when I was looking both last month and last September was that I had 3.5 years of working at AWS in the Professional Services department (full time direct hire) and AWS partners love to get people from ProServe because they know we can be trusted to talk to decision makers and fly out to clients and lead and do the work.

But I usually would throw my resume up in the air pre-2020 and have multiple job offers fall in my lap.

Re: Salary expectations questions – How should you answer them? (2020)

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

scarface_74 wrote: post #121
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Companies aren't moving to Warsaw to find the best talent in the world. That talent is mostly already in the super expensive tech hubs where the top software companies have flourished for decades and cross-pollinated creating a supply of experienced talent in the area. It's much more easy to find an experienced tech lead even remotely, around London or SF, than say in some village in Bulgaria or Poland because no F50…

Let’s be honest, you don’t need the best talent to build yet another SaaS CRUD app or most of the maintenance work done in BigTech.

Exactly. That's why you also don't need to pay US salaries or hire on the big tech hubs.
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