cool project, but I don't particularly like "The democratization of spreadsheets" as a catchphrase. Like, what does that even mean? If by "democratization" you mean like, more able to be used, well anyone can go download LibreOffice or for the web use CryptPad's Spreadsheets, and if you mean that it's more open, well both of those are open source. Is this project specifically run democratically or something? It just seems like a really bad use of meaningless marketing terminology.
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#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes I know what the word is being used these days for but it doesn't make sense. Democracy does not inherently have anything to do with these additional (also vague) terms.
Democracy doesn't have anything to do with "equality in rights, freedom, and opportunity"? That is the point of and foundation of democracy - no democracy without them. It's incredible that people are so anxious to destroy freedom and humanitarianism (why?) that they adopt an obviously false history. Those have long been believed to be the foundations of democracy; you might have heard this one, which founded one dem…
All of those are just additional things ones wishes democracies to have but are not inherent in the word definition. I can certainly see that some people wish to have the definition of "democracy" expanded to mean many additional things but that really isn't the point of having that very precise word.
Re: IronCalc – Open-Source Spreadsheet Engine
#123Impressive project. I’ve dealt with Excel a lot so anything new and ope source catches my attention.
The docs currently focus on the engine part but I’m more interested in the integrations (for example, with Java, Angular, Vue etc).
I’m currently on mobile but I’ll have to take a look at your React example to see if I can write a working Angular or Vue example.
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#124cool project, but I don't particularly like "The democratization of spreadsheets" as a catchphrase. Like, what does that even mean? If by "democratization" you mean like, more able to be used, well anyone can go download LibreOffice or for the web use CryptPad's Spreadsheets, and if you mean that it's more open, well both of those are open source. Is this project specifically run democratically or something? It just…
This reason met my definition of democratization:
> Empowering SaaS Developers: Hundreds, if not thousands, of companies have implemented half-baked spreadsheets in their systems. IronCalc aims to provide these businesses with a superior, open-source alternative that enhances their SaaS applications.
I am currently creating SAAS and the idea of implementing LibreOffice on top of my offering just not gonna work.
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#125It’s a great ambition to replace Excel and many went down this path before. Congratulations to even attempting to achieve it and going this far to do it. Excel compatibility, when fully realized, will remove the major obstacle to adoption. Given the current stronghold Excel has on the market. Once that is achieved do you plan to offer a transition to more modern forms of calculations as vectors and arrays formula pan…
>Also when your solution adoption will have grown much larger you should learn from the experiences Bavaria and CERN went through. Microsoft stronghold more often than not has nothing to do with technical prowess. Can you elaborate on those experiences?
The government of Bavaria, one of the wealthiest countries of the German federation and thus of the world, tried to replace Microsoft with Linux and generally FOSS solutions. Twice.
CERN tried to replace Office with NextCloud. It is now struggling to cope with a policy reversal under Microsoft fanboys.
Both cases were also discussed here.
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#126This sounds like a cool project! Does anyone here knows how it compares to univerjs ?
I currently use univerjs to power the open source sql spreadsheet component I work on (https://github.com/sqlpage/sqlpage-spreadsheet/). My experience with it has been that it's very powerful, but quite difficult to use due to the boilerplate involved, the lacking documentation, and the fact that it seems to be developed mainly for the Chinese market.
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#127cool project, but I don't particularly like "The democratization of spreadsheets" as a catchphrase. Like, what does that even mean? If by "democratization" you mean like, more able to be used, well anyone can go download LibreOffice or for the web use CryptPad's Spreadsheets, and if you mean that it's more open, well both of those are open source. Is this project specifically run democratically or something? It just…
Because of your comment, I discovered OnlyOffice.
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#128cool project, but I don't particularly like "The democratization of spreadsheets" as a catchphrase. Like, what does that even mean? If by "democratization" you mean like, more able to be used, well anyone can go download LibreOffice or for the web use CryptPad's Spreadsheets, and if you mean that it's more open, well both of those are open source. Is this project specifically run democratically or something? It just…
Because of your comment, I discovered OnlyOffice.
I recommend you un-discover it and take a look at the Collabora office suite. It's basically the LibreOffice engine with a web ui on top. We've been using both OnlyOffice and CODE for years, and CODE has much better performance (both the client and the server; probably because the backend is in C++ instead of Node), it's more stable over the long term, and has better compatibility with msoffice.
https://www.collaboraonline.com/code
https://hub.docker.com/r/collabora/code
(it's FOSS, the language about "home use" is there to scare large companies into buying commercial versions with support contracts.)
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#129I was an excel enthusiast and studied accounting mainly for Excel. Although I have moved to programming unlike most I still do think Excel is awesome.
I sincerely commend the enthusiasm, but working in the industry as the "excel expert", I think most outsider does not understand the "cult" aspect of Excel.
Excel works. That is it.
Trying to replace excel with anything will be percieved as replacing a calculator with some alien substance that does math. Excel is like Pencil and Pen. You can not replace it.
Excel is not software it is a tool.
I have had my fair share backlash when trying to introduce replacement and complimentary tools. To replace excel, you not only need to advocate for it's usefulness and you need to be also be liable to the complaints from excel users. If anything goes wrong no how minor with the new tool, you are the one who introduced all these mess.
So, in practice what usually happens is that, when people hit UX challenges they go to a consulting firm and commission a backoffice software to address the Excel limitations. Some business may pay for nocode but that is very rare. They go to backoffice software firm and they build a CRUD software that is now not replacing Excel but compliments it.
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#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because of your comment, I discovered OnlyOffice.
I recommend you un-discover it and take a look at the Collabora office suite. It's basically the LibreOffice engine with a web ui on top. We've been using both OnlyOffice and CODE for years, and CODE has much better performance (both the client and the server; probably because the backend is in C++ instead of Node), it's more stable over the long term, and has better compatibility with msoffice. https://www.collabora…
Onlyoffice have a lot better compatibility .