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Trump wins presidency for second time

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Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

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For some of us this is not unexpected at all. But the margin and the likely win of the popular vote should send a clear message.

Yeah, that the US democratic system is broken; each state having an equal say is not fair given the populations are far from equal.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

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Is there some statistical analysis on the reason people vote trump ? I refuse to believe the narrative that Americans are just a bunch of redneck retarded bigots. Tried to Google it but all I find is a bunch of American news website like CNN and website like https://www.voterstudygroup.org/publication/the-five-types-t... I'm trying to look beyond the propaganda, any idea if there has been scientific studies or anythi…

You're asking as if the other candidate is a no-brainer choice. If the other candidate were Kennedy, then sure—but they were not. In this case, many would be undecided and would vote not the best candidate, but the least bad one.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

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Is there some statistical analysis on the reason people vote trump ? I refuse to believe the narrative that Americans are just a bunch of redneck retarded bigots. Tried to Google it but all I find is a bunch of American news website like CNN and website like https://www.voterstudygroup.org/publication/the-five-types-t... I'm trying to look beyond the propaganda, any idea if there has been scientific studies or anythi…

Get out of your bubble and listen to people. Hacker News is part of your bubble.

The majority of people have picked a side long ago and are sticking to it. You want to talk to independents or people that have changed sides recently.

The interesting thing for me was seeing the blowback from the woke movement. People I know that were raised Democrats and supported gay rights could no longer identify with the party supporting a movement that appeared to be telling them that they are racist (and BTW be careful or you might get cancelled) and that it would be great if their kids changed genders. This led them away from legacy media and towards opposite points of view.

I am not claiming this was the decisive reason- just pointing out something that I don’t see talked about much. Listen to people and you will find other reasons.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

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My theory: people are just hacked off that life is getting worse for most people while billionaires get richer and richer. Every disaster the wealthy get handouts while the poor have to pay for them. Government can no longer afford anything because all of its assets have been sold and rented back at a profit. I don’t think either campaign made any difference to the outcome of this election at all. In conclusion it mi…

How did the COVID handouts cause inflation? It was only a small amount. Isn't inflation caused by macro-economic forces, e.g. interest, international policy / stability, and free market somethings?

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

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This election has been a testament to the complete and utter obliviousness of the American voter, as far as economics goes. All polls have indicated that economy and inflation was the number 1 issue that voters on the right cared about, and yet they haven't flinched at the proposals that Trump have laid out. Musk even said it in clear language, that there will be "austerity" moving forward. The greatest grift in mode…

> This election has been a testament to the complete and utter obliviousness of the American voter,

My reading is "This election has been a testament to the complete and utter obliviousness of the Dems to the American voter".

Seriously, politicians who are out of touch with their constituencies should not really be expecting to win.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

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post #109

This is weird because the information I was getting was that Harris was leading the opinion polls and the Trump supporters were dropping him at the last minute. Now this feels like a rigged election.

> the information I was getting

What does this tell you?

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

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As an American who grew from nothing, served in the military, and expanded in my career - I find the concerns for Democracy comical. Most of you do not understand the type of people that built and fought for democracy. There is no real fear amongst these same type of people in modern America.

As someone who spent most of his life in a dictatorship, I don’t think you appreciate how easily a society can slide into a totalitarian state and how apathetic most of the population can become.

It’s also interesting that you served in the U.S. military and didn’t recognize how self-serving and institutionally corrupt it is. I come from a country with an oversized military relative to its government, and the parallels I can draw between its behavior and that of the U.S. Army are uncanny.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

#129
He has not won yet. Perhaps there may be a last minute change.

If the results remain roughly where they are now, then that is one important positive outcome.. and I would say exactly the same if the election had gone the other way.d

If it had been as close, or closer than last time, then who becomes presient is nearly random, as WP once wrote, and an enormous amount of drama would ensue. Which it might still do depending how tight the swing states are.

As it looks now it will be a solid win.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

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Between a clean sweep win of the Electoral College, the popular vote (by a Republican president for the first time in 20 years!), the Senate, and very likely the House this is an epic, bottom of the ninth comeback victory for the history books. And I thought the World Series Dodgers comeback in game 5 was incredible, I guess we just keep on winning.

I am also absolutely vindicated in my opinion that "journalism" (the mainstream media) are cancers upon society. The polls fucking lied and the "journalism" was the real garbage.

And yes, I voted for Trump and the Republicans as an Oregonian. No, my vote didn't count for his EC win, but I don't care: My vote still helped deliver a mandate that the Democrats and their policies are not acceptable.

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