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Disposable vapes to be banned in England and Wales

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Re: Disposable vapes to be banned in England and Wales

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How would an additional tax address this? Paying more would hardly reduce usage, and definitely won't incentivize users to dispose of vape pens more responsibly.

Do bottle deposits (a few cents that you get back for returning empty soda or whatever bottles to the right place) actually work? If they do, maybe the same model would work for this.

Denmark's bottle return system receives 92% of bottles and cans.

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There's a huge difference between restricting people's right to defend themselves and their right to purchase shitty single use electronics that slowly kill them

If untrained people try to defend themselves with a pocket knife they are more likely to hurt themselves.

That simply isn't true, and even if it was there's no system by which trained people can be certified to carry any form of self defense tool.

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at least we'll mine them. with helium, we put it in party balloons and lose it to space.

There's plenty of helium in the solar system (granted, a bit further out) and the sun is producing 595 million tons per second.

Let me guess, you have plans that to mine that helium by working at night?

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> The joke I always like to make is that in the US everything is legal unless the government legislates to say you can't Guess where the US got that from? Yes, the UK, and it still applies.

I think you're forgetting something called the CONSTITUTION which gives a number of rights that one doesn't have in the UK like -Freedom of expression (can't be arrested for social media posts, can't easily get sued into the ground for libel[0]) -Right to bear arms (technically legal for citizens to organize their own militant force, though often discouraged) -Right to remain silent (it is always advised to never tal…

As an American, I'm still often baffled by American Exceptionalism. Often people who say stuff like this have zero actual clue about how things are done in other countries. And it's laughable to call out the right to bear arms when just being suspected of having a weapon is enough to justify an execution by the police.

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There's a huge difference between restricting people's right to defend themselves and their right to purchase shitty single use electronics that slowly kill them

You mean, people's right to attack other people.

No I'm very specifically talking about the right to self defense actually.

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at least we'll mine them. with helium, we put it in party balloons and lose it to space.

There's plenty of helium in the solar system (granted, a bit further out) and the sun is producing 595 million tons per second.

yes, and it'll be very easy to capture in commercial quantities, I'm sure.

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#127

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It would probably cost more to recycle them; they are not like aluminum cans or glass bottles that can be easily recycled into raw materials.

I don't think that prevents a programme to encourage responsible disposal. A $5 deposit on these vapes would get people to return them, and they could be recycled en masse even if it does cost more.

If you attach some sort of rebate to it, I guarantee there will be people who collect them off the ground who don't even vape, like how some do with bottles and cans and scrap metal.

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#128

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I don't think that prevents a programme to encourage responsible disposal. A $5 deposit on these vapes would get people to return them, and they could be recycled en masse even if it does cost more.

I like the idea of a deposit but you still need someone to accept the waste - point of a deposit is you get it back, so how do you fund the responsible disposal?

Obviously any retailer that sells vapes needs to accept them back for the deposit, and the vape manufacturers need to accept the dead ones which the retailers collect (and pay for whatever shipping is required). The manufacturers then get to decide how to recycle them, but are required to recycle them.

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Do you have a citation for that? Most people would not consider a 3+ inch blade a pocket knife and even then it’s not illegal if you have a good reason: https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives

You can't carry a packet knife with a blade length over 2.5" into any US federal buildings: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/930

Oh, I’m very aware of that. I was just looking for examples of someone in the UK actually going to jail for carrying a normal pocket knife where they weren’t threatening people or trying to enter some kind of restricted space.

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I’m a UK vaper (former smoker) and while I’m sure I’m going to find this annoying (disposables are helpful in a pinch when your proper vape has run out of battery or liquid), it’s clearly the right thing to do. The e-waste involved in that sub-industry must be absolutely horrifying. Tens of millions of tiny little batteries, surrounded in plastic, lingering quantities of nicotine-rich liquids… Glad this is happening.…

This begs the question: why do you use disposables, then, and will apparently only stop when they are banned if you think they are so bad?

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