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Care Doesn't Scale

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Re: Care Doesn't Scale

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They don't need to be forced. They come here willing to do those jobs. After all, they're not slaves.

Exactly. They come willingly but you can't force them to wipe your old age ass once they're here.

Actually... they kinda can? If they don't work, they get deported back. Also they are in debt to the agency that got them here. It's a hair above modern slavery the way it currently works, especially in EU countries with more... lax standards than Germany.

Re: Care Doesn't Scale

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post #77

This is ultimately a dichotomy between having the family unit or "the state" as the central point of governance. Many totalitarian regimes looked at newborns as "belonging to the state". The result is a unified mass person who dresses, thinks and acts in predictable ways. The more power, personal connection and influence parents have over their children, the more diverse society will become.

You are assuming all family influence is good. There are lots of abusive families and poor parents, though.

He is (or perhaps he's ignoring that issue). But when a totalitarian government is abusive, it affects all the families, not just the bad ones.

Re: Care Doesn't Scale

#123

  It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest. We address ourselves, not to their humanity but to their self-love, and never talk to them of our own necessities but of their advantages. Nobody but a beggar chuses to depend chiefly upon the benevolence of his fellow-citizens. -- Adam Smith
Care doesn't scale but self-interest scales efficiently. The baker who gets up at 3 am generally does so because she cares about her close circle of loved ones, far more than the world at large. In this sense care and self interest are not in tension but amplify by constructive interference.

Re: Care Doesn't Scale

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post #107

I assumed the opposite. Knew a women who worked 100% as foster mom. Had 3 children at a time, age 6 to 13. Everything was well organised. It seemed to me, child care can work pretty well of it's your main job and you get paid by the state.

This seems more like a very skilled caregiver to me, I would be absolutely overwhelmed in this position.

Re: Care Doesn't Scale

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post #121

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Exactly. They come willingly but you can't force them to wipe your old age ass once they're here.

Actually... they kinda can? If they don't work, they get deported back. Also they are in debt to the agency that got them here. It's a hair above modern slavery the way it currently works, especially in EU countries with more... lax standards than Germany.

>If they don't work, they get deported back.

lol, nice joke, how many illegals has Germany for example deported? Deporting people in the EU is a huge hassle and the source countries often don't want to cooperate in taking back people. You'll have to murder someone to actually get the authorities in the EU go through the hassle of deporting you, but refusing to work shit jobs isn't enough to get you deported, just have your welfare access cut off.

Plus they can also claim asylum once they get here to escape their slave drivers and not get deported.

>especially in EU countries with more... lax standards than Germany

Germany already has lax standards on that regard. Many there are raking in huge profits by bringing in these vulnerable workers and having them work in terrible conditions.

Re: Care Doesn't Scale

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post #106

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Often, it's the act of preparing the meal by hand rather than pressing a button on their hypothetical Food-o-matic that makes the biggest impact. We can certainly scale the provision of needs otherwise. I agree with the author on their assertions about what it means to care and actually connect with people.

I'm not talking about food preparation, but food systems. E.g. look up the concept of a food desert. Preparing a meal by hand is one thing; having access to quality affordable ingredients is another. A food desert is what you get when the system that would enable care is deficient. And even in a "food oasis" with adequate quality, yes, if you yourself cannot prepare a meal, or have nobody to do that for you, that's a…

I tend to consider food deserts just cheap/fast transportation or personal mobility deserts seeing as they tend to "lack" a whole bunch of other things in addition to food. They lack these things not because people can't get them, but because the cost in time or money of going whatever distance one needs to go to get them makes it not worth it. Food doesn't ship well or keep well in individual use volumes so it is particularly impacted.

Re: Care Doesn't Scale

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post #96

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Early Soviet Union did try to reshape family, but it went back on it eventually, seeing the value of the conservative family model in building social cohesion and loyalty.

Expressed differently: they tried to abolish the family, found that doing so created more problems then they solved, and backed off in order to avoid tearing their country apart. They discovered that in some things doing nothing is better than doing something, but Westerners of all political stripes (both for or against authoritarianism) chronically make the mistake of assuming that everything that a totalitarian sta…

I don’t think they ever tried to “abolish family”. Where are you getting this stuff? It sounds like bad history lessons.

They did stuff like legalizing divorce, or collectivization of parenting.

Re: Care Doesn't Scale

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post #18

This has been well-known for ages and is a major subject of feminist studies. Care jobs are mostly feminine, and don't scale, and this dichotomy plays a big role in the overall wage gap.

Say it louder for the people in the back.

There's a million examples of tech utopianists walking head-first into ideas and even entire disciplines they previously dismissed as irrelevant or outdated.

Re: Care Doesn't Scale

#129

It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest. We address ourselves, not to their humanity but to their self-love, and never talk to them of our own necessities but of their advantages. Nobody but a beggar chuses to depend chiefly upon the benevolence of his fellow-citizens. -- Adam Smith Care doesn't scale but self-inte…

The countless hours of voluntary unpaid work by many people shows don’t act only for their own benefit

Re: Care Doesn't Scale

#130

>We’re pretty limited when it comes to care. In any given moment, you can only really care deeply and individually for one person. Absolutely. Society tends to assume that people are interchangeable units and that 'care' is a commodity which can be dispensed evenly as if from an industrial nozzle in a food factory. So we have 'care homes', 'daycare', 'care packages'. We are enjoined to be more 'caring'. But the reali…

Yes, it points to how hard & expensive any government attempt to backstop the traditional parental model of care actually is.

The earlier the intervention the better.. and consistency is also incredible important. But you can spend incredible amounts of money just to get a slightly worse outcome than what was going to happen on its own. As a wealthy society we must do something to help those in need, especially children who are in the situation of no fault of their own. But it's not clear our current methods work.

You can also generalize this problem to the healthcare industry as a whole. Costs go up much faster than the rest of the basket of goods & services citizens pay for, and they don't understand why.

The underlying reason is that - care doesn't scale. You are essentially (directly or indirectly) paying for someone's (doctor, nurse, etc) time. We have not gotten much better at making care more time efficient in the field, and in many cases it has gotten worse (more paperwork/electronic record entry time/etc). Everything else we buy is the product of using automation to replace labor, making labor more efficient, or making labor cheaper (offshoring / simplifying so less training is needed / etc).

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