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Russia is unique in that they are both presently and historically a threat to the entire western world.
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> One could make the identical argument for the other world power
No, one couldn’t.
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Say that is true, then to be consistent, why is the MSS (CN) and GRU (RU) not included? Are those countries not also trying to project power, and compromise every system possible?
CIA will just tamper either hardware and/or core distros like Debian. They shouldn't need to do anymore because that could backfire like crazy against the US economies in case of a a zero day. On Russia and China, these are second-tier risks levels, easier to avoid.
> On Russia and China, these are second-tier risks levels, easier to avoid.
This appears to be what may have just occurred in regard to TFA.
edit: it seems to be a reaction to the sanctions for the invasion of Ukraine.
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It'd be nice to list what those "various compliance requirements" are on a public open source project.
Not open source specific, but: > Treasury, in consultation with the Department of State, has issued a new determination under Executive Order (E.O.) 14071, which prohibits the supply to any person in the Russian Federation of (1) IT consultancy and design services; and (2) IT support services and cloud-based services for enterprise management software and design and manufacturing software. The determination will take…
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The Finnish people today, have the highest percentage of people willing to fight to defend their country in the EU, it is reported to be 74%. I think it is safe to assume that they are not worried about their Scandinavian neighbors invading.
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The Finnish people today, have the highest percentage of people willing to fight to defend their country in the EU, it is reported to be 74%. I think it is safe to assume that they are not worried about their Scandinavian neighbors invading.
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His personal feelings aside, see this comment [0] for the possible legal impetus.
If this is in-fact applicable to Linux kernel dev, then this may occur in other projects as well.
> In that case that effectively makes Linux a NATO-adjacent project
I would argue that being forced to include some specific maintainer would make that possibly more true than being forced to exclude. Hmm, does that make sense to anyone else?
Additionally, if I understand the situation, the users who are being discussed can still contribute, just not as official maintainers?
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Bold statement barely two months after it came to light just how many western influencers were actively sponsored by the russian state.
They weren't. It was just another Russiagate-like hoax which was spread around in turn by much more competent Western propaganda outlets.
Re: Linus Torvalds comments on the Russian Linux maintainers being delisted
#127Open source communities are similar to communism in that they are practices of an ideal state (Utopia; Republic). It takes a philosopher king to rule behind the good. But it is hard to have a ruler with the qualities of a philosopher king. There is a term for open source software: BDFL (benevolent dictator for life). At Wikepedia ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benevolent_dictator_for_life ), Linus is included. But t…
If open source were communist/socialist then Linus wouldn't own the kernel
Re: Linus Torvalds comments on the Russian Linux maintainers being delisted
#128If this was purely because of sanctions, this could have been handled much more gracefully. But it's clear from Linus' comments that he just doesn't respect these volunteers because they happen to be from a particular country. > I'm Finnish. ... Apparently it's not just lack of real news, it's lack of history knowledge too. If we're suddenly taking history as a criterion, half of the world should ban British develope…
>But it's clear from Linus' comments that he just doesn't respect these volunteers because they happen to be from a particular country
If that would be the case no russian would have reached the maintainer status to anything related to the kernel.
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> Individual Russian programmers are not responsible for the invasion of Ukraine, so I would be reluctant to punish them for Putin's crime and to deprive Linux of their contributions. True, but individual Russian programmers are not free of Putin's influence, and could be compelled to do undesirable things. The day after the invasion of Ukraine, my employer locked out all contractors we employed who resided in Russia…
Treating employees like slaves, and boasting that you “help” their stupid asses is so charming. Oh my dear cork hat! Oh my dear plantation!
> Treating employees like slaves, and boasting that you “help” their stupid asses is so charming. Oh my dear cork hat! Oh my dear plantation!
Are you, like, completely ignorant of what's going on in the world?
The day after the invasion one of them, totally unprompted, basically apologized on behalf of his country in our standup and said he opposed the war (they still had access to Office 365 throughout).
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> Individual Russian programmers are not responsible for the invasion of Ukraine, so I would be reluctant to punish them for Putin's crime and to deprive Linux of their contributions. True, but individual Russian programmers are not free of Putin's influence, and could be compelled to do undesirable things. The day after the invasion of Ukraine, my employer locked out all contractors we employed who resided in Russia…
Ah! Finally the spies have been freed from Putin influence by being relocated to a safer country, no matter that if someone is truly as brainwashed as you say changing countries is pointless. Fucking hypocrisy
> Ah! Finally the spies have been freed from Putin influence by being relocated to a safer country, no matter that if someone is truly as brainwashed as you say changing countries is pointless. Fucking hypocrisy
WTF, man? I actually worked with a few of those folks. I don't think they were spies, but the policy was understandable, given the context. It dealt with risks that were practical to mitigate on such short notice when there was a lot of uncertainty, but didn't mitigate all risks. Nothing's perfect.